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Originally posted by galveston75What would constitute a good spend of time, me agreeing with you and becoming a JW?
We could say the sky is blue and you'd still spout out and disagree wouldn't you? I'm about to stop answering you as I do not answer Rajk...it's getting to be a waist of time.
The problem you have Galveston is that you are here to preach your organisation and convert, whereas most of us here are here to debate issues.
Anyway suit yourself sulky boy, next thing you'll be leaving in a strop again.
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Originally posted by divegeesterUh maybe because you argue just to argue which is just plane stupid... Why not try for once to stop the insults and add something with somekind of useful knowledge, info or something as I have seen nothing like that from you ever?
What would constitute a good spend of time, me agreeing with you and becoming a JW?
The problem you have Galveston is that you are here to preach your organisation and convert, whereas most of us here are here to debate issues.
Anyway suit yourself sulky boy, next thing you'll be leaving in a strop again.
The info I just posted has nothing to do with trying to convert anyone or preach about my organization as anyone can clearly see. It's just plane scriptural reading by you that's needed instead of flying off with some stupid statement
14 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75I know, but that's why you feel it's a "waste of time" because you are here on a JW mission.
Uh maybe because you argue just to argue which is just plane stupid... Why not try for once to stop the insults and add something with somekind of useful knowledge, info or something as I have seen nothing like that from you ever?
The info I just posted has nothing to do with trying to convert anyone or preach about my organization as anyone can clearl ...[text shortened]... plane scriptural reading by you that's needed instead of flying off with some stupid statement
I don't disagree with you out of some sort of spite you know! We are fundamentally opposed spiritually because we serve different masters, think completely diffierently about the nature and identity of God and view organised religion from polarised viewpoints.
Look back through this thread and see where this banter started - your post rudely telling me I am completely wrong. I wasn't even talking to you!
15 Jan 12
Originally posted by divegeesterWell you are wrong so I have no right to say that? You say we're here to debate so I'm debating with you.
I know, but that's why you feel it's a "waste of time" because you are here on a JW mission.
I don't disagree with you out of some sort of spite you know! We are fundamentally opposed spiritually because we serve different masters, think completely diffierently about the nature and identity of God and view organised religion from polarised viewpoint ...[text shortened]... started - your post rudely telling me I am completely wrong. I wasn't even talking to you!
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15 Jan 12
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Originally posted by divegeesterSomebody said he cried because he saw the lack of faith in the people who were with Lazarus. (my wording)
So Jesus knew Lazarus was seriously ill and that his family were calling for him to come but he decides not to. Why?
You say he cried because his friend had died, then why didn't he go to him, malicious? Not caring? But he cried!
Your account makes no sense and as usual you and robbie (let's not pretend he will have a different view to you on so ...[text shortened]... have known Lararus' condition in the same way he knew the man's son had been healed?
Somebody said he stayed away a couple more days so his raising of Lazarus would be more glorified in their eyes. Does this include it would be more convincing?
So if he knew staying away just 2 days more than the travel time would be sufficient to glorify the act and convince them, why cry? Lazarus had to die for the resurrection to be real; no tears for that; a couple more days away would do the job; no tears for that.
Also, he had a plan to convince them, so he must have known they lacked faith. Why be sad when he sees he is right, especially since he has a plan in place.
I still think the best explanation for his crying is sadness at Lazarus' death.
All in the interest of a tighter story.
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Originally posted by JS357He was also sad because he knew his death by torture was soon to
Somebody said he cried because he saw the lack of faith in the people who were with Lazarus. (my wording)
Somebody said he stayed away a couple more days so his raising of Lazarus would be more glorified in their eyes. Does this include it would be more convincing?
So if he knew staying away just 2 days more than the travel time would be sufficient to gl ...[text shortened]... anation for his crying is sadness at Lazarus' death.
All in the interest of a tighter story.
take place and he would be betrayed and even Peter would deny
knowing Him and he would be ridiculed before all the people. The
fact that He was about to command Lazarus to come out of the tomb
after three days also reminded Him that His own disciples did not
believe what He had said about that He must suffer and die and be
rasied after three days. He had a hard time dealing with this as
was demonstrated in the garden before He was taken into custody.
15 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75That's absolutely fine Galveston and I enjoy it when you do.
Well you are wrong so I have no right to say that? You say we're here to debate so I'm debating with you.
Just try to stop acting like a child when people disagree with you; threatening not to talk to them anymore (as you did to me in this thread), threatening to leave the site (as you did a couple of weeks ago). It makes you come across sounding like a spoilt child who cannot take criticism of his new toy.
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15 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsOK thanks. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing; just getting better informed about the accounts.
He was also sad because he knew his death by torture was soon to
take place and he would be betrayed and even Peter would deny
knowing Him and he would be ridiculed before all the people. The
fact that He was about to command Lazarus to come out of the tomb
after three days also reminded Him that His own disciples did not
believe what He had said about ...[text shortened]... hard time dealing with this as
was demonstrated in the garden before He was taken into custody.
15 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsAfter reading this I'd even throw in that He knew that there were going to be
He was also sad because he knew his death by torture was soon to
take place and he would be betrayed and even Peter would deny
knowing Him and he would be ridiculed before all the people. The
fact that He was about to command Lazarus to come out of the tomb
after three days also reminded Him that His own disciples did not
believe what He had said about ...[text shortened]... hard time dealing with this as
was demonstrated in the garden before He was taken into custody.
people who even seeing Jesus raise someone from the dead would not only
plot to kill Jesus, but also Lazarus as very soon after that.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayYes and Jesus actually wept on other occasions and was saddened many times for the conditions that mankind is suffering with our problems both mentally and physically. Rememeber he was there when his Father was creating man and Jesus was used in that creating and loved humans very much and that's the reason he offered himself to come to earth and eventually lay his life down for all of us so that one day all our suffering would be end and we would have the life that his Father originally planned for us on a beautiful and clean planet with no influance from Satan.
After reading this I'd even throw in that He knew that there were going to be
people who even seeing Jesus raise someone from the dead would not only
plot to kill Jesus, but also Lazarus as very soon after that.
Kelly
This is why Jesus told the man beside him when they were being executed: "You will be with me in paradise."
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Originally posted by JS357
Somebody said he cried because he saw the lack of faith in the people who were with Lazarus. (my wording)
Somebody said he stayed away a couple more days so his raising of Lazarus would be more glorified in their eyes. Does this include it would be more convincing?
So if he knew staying away just 2 days more than the travel time would be sufficient to gl ...[text shortened]... anation for his crying is sadness at Lazarus' death.
All in the interest of a tighter story.
I still think the best explanation for his crying is sadness at Lazarus' death.
All in the interest of a tighter story.
Don't you think it makes for a tight story that Jesus has to point out that the people's opinions are off ?
Marths, admits that she believes in a grand resurrection of all the dead at the end of time. Jesus has to tell her that He Himself IS the resurrection and the divine life. This leads to one of my favorite lines in the whole Bible - John 11:25
"Jesus said to her, You brother wil rise again.
Martha said to Him, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection in the last day.
Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life; he who believses into Me, even if he should doe, shall live;
And everyone who lives and believes into Me shall by no means die forever. Do you believe this ?"
Martha bible knowledge and answer was very fundamental. But Jesus told her not to postpone the resurection to the last day. He WAS the very resurrection standing before them right then. Marvelous !
John 11:25 - I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE; HE WHO BELIEVES INTO ME, EVEN IF HE DIE, SHALL LIVE."
I think Jesus wept because NO ONE was right there with Him in the truth. Even some were CLOSE but yet still so far off.