03 Apr 09
Originally posted by zozozozohow would you know zozo, you haven't the faintest idea what Christianity is about, so how would you know? or perhaps you are guilty of exactly the same inconsistency that you are leveling against others. isn't that interesting, don't you think?
Isnt this kinda what christianity is doing also?
03 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJay
you and Fabian just spout off
what you think others should accept as truth and think you've proven
your point. You don't attempt to show why, you just say believe this.
But you hold your opinions for straight facts. You don't back it up with any observations, do you? You are so sure about your opinions is the only truths. You don't belive in any scintific methods that is not backing your up opinion. That's weak. But that's your religious beliefs. Not scinece. Not facts. Not anything. Only your opinion.
You believe in dinos on the ark, yet you don't provide any evidence, any observations, any nothing. You have all the chances in the world to find something, anything, to back up your opinion, and yet you fail, fail, fail. What does that say about your opinions? They are weak.
There are many scientific evidence about there are no dinos in the history of mankind, none. But you don't recognize any of them, because they go across your opinions.
And now you whine...
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayif they existed before the flood how did they survive? parasites need a host to survive. they would have had to infect noah and his pose and all the animals on the boat. but the problem is that such a restricted population would have become imune or died. since they didn't die, they became immune. so the measles should have died. but we have that disease in our modern times. so how did it survive?
I believe they existed like all other creatures before the flood, and
afterwards things changed.
Kelly
humor me and present an explanation that doesn't use god.
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI disagree. I do know what christianity is about, at least the big lines.
how would you know zozo, you haven't the faintest idea what Christianity is about, so how would you know? or perhaps you are guilty of exactly the same inconsistency that you are leveling against others. isn't that interesting, don't you think?
I you talk about 'experiencing god' or something, then yes, i dont know anything about that. Im to scientificly thinking for allowing my brain to give me false thoughts🙂
christianity, maybe not everyone, but at least a part, does try to convince others that thier beliefs are right, they try to convert them. right?
When i am in a discussion and make a statement i make sure i can back this up with facts or observations.
What does christianity have to back up on? Nothing but maybe that big bible book. When i write on a paper: "god doenst exist." what should we believe? the bible or my paper?
Or maybe we shouldnt believe in any of the two untill thier truth is proven, or can be backed up with observations and logical thinking.
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasNo, I give reasons for my thoughts. you just spout off I'm anti
Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]you and Fabian just spout off
what you think others should accept as truth and think you've proven
your point. You don't attempt to show why, you just say believe this.
But you hold your opinions for straight facts. You don't back it up with any observations, do you? You are so sure about your opinions i ...[text shortened]... n't recognize any of them, because they go across your opinions.
And now you whine...[/b]
science as if that is a point, and go on. I do give reasons for why
I think the way I do, sometimes in detail. Now others here just
make statements as if that is enough, declare what you think is
true, and that should end the argument, granted not all are like
that the good debaters actually have points they defend.
Kelly
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJay….and Fabian just spout off
No, not just him you are as bad. Many here actually try to show why
what they are saying is true or not, you and Fabian just spout off
what you think others should accept as truth and think you've proven
your point. You don't attempt to show why, you just say believe this.
Kelly
what you THINK
..… (my emphasis)
It isn’t JUST what we “THINK”, it is also the known scientific facts -that’s WHY we “THINK” it. Unlike what you try to make out, it isn’t just our “opinions” but rather just accepting the scientific facts as scientific FACTS. Would you say it is just an “opinion” that the Earth is round?
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziAs I have pointed out over and over, I believe in evolution, but I do
if they existed before the flood how did they survive? parasites need a host to survive. they would have had to infect noah and his pose and all the animals on the boat. but the problem is that such a restricted population would have become imune or died. since they didn't die, they became immune. so the measles should have died. but we have that disease in ...[text shortened]... ern times. so how did it survive?
humor me and present an explanation that doesn't use god.
not see it as causing life to become more complex over time. Instead
it breaks down; faults becoming worse as time goes by, weaknesses
more pronounced. Where you had very dominate genes, at first gave
way to those those recessive causing variety to creep into species as
life started moving away from the central pack into various and
sundry niches around the world, the cause and effect over time would
produce a lot of different things into the living population.
Kelly
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by zozozozoGod is the best part of Christianity, the rest can be all man made stuff
I disagree. I do know what christianity is about, at least the big lines.
I you talk about 'experiencing god' or something, then yes, i dont know anything about that. Im to scientificly thinking for allowing my brain to give me false thoughts🙂
christianity, maybe not everyone, but at least a part, does try to convince others that thier beliefs are righ ...[text shortened]... wo untill thier truth is proven, or can be backed up with observations and logical thinking.
depending on what you are getting exposed to. If all your looking for
is some way of life, you'll miss God because there are a million paths
to choose from. The trouble with Christianity today is that people have
some idea what they think it is, and that familiar idea may not even
be close to the reality of God and our relationship with Him through
Jesus Christ. Christianity isn't something you give your mind to, it is
something you have to experience, because if you don't experience
God all you got are stories of man.
Kelly
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThat is you bottom line.
[b]….and Fabian just spout off
what you THINK
..… (my emphasis)
It isn’t JUST what we “THINK”, it is also the known scientific facts -that’s WHY we “THINK” it. Unlike what you try to make out, it isn’t just our “opinions” but rather just accepting the scientific facts as scientific FACTS. Would you say it is just an “opinion” that the Earth is round?[/b]
You spout off what you call scientific facts as if just saying them out
loud ends the debate. I gave you reasons why natural selection wasn't
a designer, walked you through the process, your responce, you make
a claim that your two examples are proof your right. You it seems
have lost the ability to think for yourself, you seem to only be able to
just spout off what others tell you are facts. You may not really be like
that, but so far I couldn't argue against that when looking at how
you have handled our last discussion.
Kelly
04 Apr 09
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Originally posted by KellyJay….You spout off what you call scientific facts as if just saying them out
That is you bottom line.
You spout off what you call scientific facts as if just saying them out
loud ends the debate. I gave you reasons why natural selection wasn't
a designer, walked you through the process, your responce, you make
a claim that your two examples are proof your right. You it seems
have lost the ability to think for yourself, you seem ...[text shortened]... couldn't argue against that when looking at how
you have handled our last discussion.
Kelly
LOAD ends the debate.
..… (my emphasis)
Nope, just calmly pointing them out is supposed to do it.
…I gave you reasons why natural selection wasn't
a designer, walked you through the process, your response, you make
a claim that your two examples are proof your right.
..…
-and yet you say evolution happens so you both deny AND agree evolution occurs.
-this is a great tactic -hide the flaws in your position by making sure nobody knows what your position is.
You said that you don’t deny evolution; so would you deny that evolution can cause changes to a species of living thing such as change the design of its metabolism etc? -if yes, notice your contradiction.
….You it seems have lost the ability to think for yourself, you seem to only be able to just spout off what others tell you are facts.
.…
Is just accepting what has been scientifically proven to be fact by others who are a lot cleverer and knowledgeable than you are constitutes “loss of ability to think for yourself”?
Rejecting what has been scientifically proven to be fact by others who are a lot cleverer and knowledgeable than you are generally constitutes intellectual arrogance and being opinionated -which is why, for example, I would not reject relativity even though I don’t understand some aspects of it.
Blindly believing whatever a book literally says despite that book not being logic/evidence based and simply ignoring/denying any evidence that contradicts your literal interpretation is the strongest indication of “loss of ability to think for yourself”.
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayHow do you experience god then? can u hear him when u focuss enough, or do you just 'feel him' or something?
because if you don't experience
God all you got are stories of man.
Kelly
If so, how would you know the feeling you experience is not something created by your own brain?
04 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy would faults occur more over time? do you mean mutations by faults?
I believe in evolution, but I do
not see it as causing life to become more complex over time. Instead
it breaks down; faults becoming worse as time goes by, weaknesses
more pronounced.
Mutations can be either bad or good or dont make a difference to an organism.