Originally posted by SuzianneWhat am I to make of this? You seem to be attacking him indiscriminately.
Again, "not sure if serious".
He touts verses like James 2:20, that "faith without works is dead" as proof that works is the only path to salvation, while ignoring verses like John 3:16, which clearly says that "faith is salvation".
We've tried and tried and tried and tried and tried to tell him that works comes naturally from faith, but all he can do ...[text shortened]... things about us when he does not know us. He bears false witness against us. He's a hypocrite.
At first you said this:
"But since you also refuse to acknowledge any of the Bible outside of the "red letters", you probably won't even be helped if I point you directly to James 1:5.
Now you say:
"He touts verses like James 2:20, that 'faith without works is dead'..."
So you've accused him of not acknowledging anything outside of the "red letters" and then go on to say he "touts verses like James 2:20".
But, let's get to the crux of the matter.
After years of spot-checking rajk999's posts, he seems to be advocating the belief that BOTH "faith" AND "works" are required for eternal life, to live in the kingdom, etc. And that Jesus will judge. He seems to be willing to allow Jesus to judge.
From what I can tell, he's analyzed the Bible as a whole to come up with his belief. Sounds like he purposely set aside any and all preconceived ideas, i.e., church dogma, and allowed the words to speak for themselves.
What he seems to rail against is the belief that "faith alone" is required for eternal life, to live in the kingdom, etc. It is this belief that he calls "mouth worship". He's telling people that this belief is wrong.
But people often attack him as if this were strictly a "faith" vs. "works" argument and that his position is of "works alone".
01 Jan 17
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou are not reading it. I remember you continually quoted another verse which YOU insist that Jesus condemned good works, when the passage clearly states that the people did evil works which is what Jesus condemns.
I have read it which still doesn't mean your point of view clears up how the Word of God does not mean what it says.
Anyway I will start another thread on that passage.
Something is missing from your ability too read and interpret.
01 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999Still not sharing the truth but attempting to change the subject. Tell me again why when the scripture says those that don't believe in Jesus are condemned already, that means they are not condemned already.
You are not reading it. I remember you continually quoted another verse which YOU insist that Jesus condemned good works, when the passage clearly states that the people did evil works which is what Jesus condemns.
Anyway I will start another thread on that passage.
Something is missing from your ability too read and interpret.
01 Jan 17
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThats about correct. What I also add is what Romans 2 says about those who do not know any law, these will also be judged. Christians dont seem to like that. It is very interesting that Christians dont like to hear about the commandments of Christ.
What am I to make of this? You seem to be attacking him indiscriminately.
At first you said this:
"But since [b]you also refuse to acknowledge any of the Bible outside of the "red letters", you probably won't even be helped if I point you directly to James 1:5.
Now you say:
"He touts verses like James 2:20, that 'faith without works is ...[text shortened]... if this were strictly a "faith" vs. "works" argument and that his position is of "works alone".[/b]
01 Jan 17
Originally posted by KellyJayDid I not say that I will start another thread on that topic?
Still not sharing the truth but attempting to change the subject. Tell me again why when the scripture says those that don't believe in Jesus are condemned already, that means they are not condemned already.
01 Jan 17
Originally posted by josephwThey prayed to God and God did the raising of the dead. If that is what you mean then I would agree that only God can raise the dead. All power belongs to God. Jesus derived his power from God as well. Jesus is the son of God and God is the Father who gives power and authority to whoever he chooses.
Good that you are an informed Christian.
In who's name did the Apostles raise the dead?
01 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999I think now I know what you don't understand. Judged does not mean found innocent. Judged just means can be found innocent or guilty.
Thats about correct. What I also add is what Romans 2 says about those who do not know any law, these will also be judged. Christians dont seem to like that. It is very interesting that Christians dont like to hear about the commandments of Christ.
Most of the judged will be found guilty and thrown into hell.