06 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHinds"Likewise, He could not be Son of God without also being God."
Jesus (Yahshua) was both son of man and Son of God.
He could not be son of man without also being man.
Likewise, He could not be Son of God without also being God.
The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
He was able to become the God/man by the operation of the
Holy Spirit on the virgin Mary. His death on the cross would
not have pa ...[text shortened]... of God, does
the will of the God the Father. We in the church should do
the will of Christ.
What the heck is this supposed to mean?
This is the same as saying that I am my fathers son but I'm also my father.
What????? Are you really serious that this makes sense in any possible way?
06 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSo your saying that sometimes he did know the thoughts of his Father and other times he didn't?
You are ignoring that Jesus was also a human born of Mary with God as His
Father. A human does not know the mind of God. Jesus sometimes speaks
from His humanity and other times from His divinity. If He where not also
the son of man He would be unable to sin and His faithfullness to His Father
would have no bearing on our salvation.
Was this something he could control or was it just a coming and going thing?
You seem to have all this special insight that no one else has so please explain all this to us.
06 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75No, He could not control it. It was up to the Father what knowledge Jesus
So your saying that sometimes he did know the thoughts of his Father and other times he didn't?
Was this something he could control or was it just a coming and going thing?
You seem to have all this special insight that no one else has so please explain all this to us.
would receive while He was clothed in corruptible flesh.
06 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsAgain everything you say points to two separate and distinct entities.
You are ignoring that Jesus was also a human born of Mary with God as His
Father. A human does not know the mind of God. Jesus sometimes speaks
from His humanity and other times from His divinity. If He where not also
the son of man He would be unable to sin and His faithfullness to His Father
would have no bearing on our salvation.
P.S. After the ...[text shortened]... bone and all
authority was given to Him, which would include the authority to know all
things.
This is wierd. There must be some 'dumbo' pill you have to take to believe in this thing called Trinity.
First its not in the Bible.
Then you keep saying they are NOT separate and providing proof.
But your proof is saying that the are separate.
06 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSo before he came to earth when he was God as you say, and God is all knowing for all eternity, but then once he was resurrected back to heaven then he was given the authority to know all things as a reward for staying faithful, which is what I'm assuming your saying here, Jesus/God now has given all this knowledge as your'e saying.
You are ignoring that Jesus was also a human born of Mary with God as His
Father. A human does not know the mind of God. Jesus sometimes speaks
from His humanity and other times from His divinity. If He where not also
the son of man He would be unable to sin and His faithfullness to His Father
would have no bearing on our salvation.
P.S. After the ...[text shortened]... bone and all
authority was given to Him, which would include the authority to know all
things.
Wouldn't he already of had this knowledge before he came to earth as Jesus?
It sounds like your suggesting something to the affect that he was God, all knowing, but then lost that knowledge for some reason but then it was given back to him.
Is this what your saying?
If it is then going along those lines then Jesus would also know the "day and the hour" that the Bible says only God knows.
But.......................... he doesn't does he?
So how can Jesus/God not know this if he is indeed God and the trinity says that this 3 in 1 Godhead is 'ALL KNOWING & ALL EQUAL"?
Getting really mysterious isn't it or is it just getting dumber and dumber?
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by Rajk999Dosen't scripture say God is ONE.
Again everything you say points to two separate and distinct entities.
This is wierd. There must be some 'dumbo' pill you have to take to believe in this thing called Trinity.
First its not in the Bible.
Then you keep saying they are NOT separate and providing proof.
But your proof is saying that the are separate.
What scripture says God is SEPARATE?
07 Jan 12
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Originally posted by galveston75No, I am not saying the Son (the Word) lost any knowlege. He never
So before he came to earth when he was God as you say, and God is all knowing for all eternity, but then once he was resurrected back to heaven then he was given the authority to know all things as a reward for staying faithful, which is what I'm assuming your saying here, Jesus/God now has given all this knowledge as your'e saying.
Wouldn't he already L EQUAL"?
Getting really mysterious isn't it or is it just getting dumber and dumber?
ceased to be God for He retained His Divine nature as the Son of God
the Father while taking on the new nature of a human. Like any other
baby conceived in the womb of a woman, He had no knowledge.
In His humanity, no knowledge or wisdom was lost for He never had any
to lose. He had to grow in wisdom and knowledge just like any other
human child. The difference is that He had two fathers, a human father
by adoption due to marriage and a real Father, God from whom He
received the Divine nature. Although He was equal with God, the Son
(the Word) humbled Himself as the scriptures say and took on humanity.
From Philippians 2:6-11 NASB;
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with
God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a
bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in
appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the
point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly
exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in
heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will
confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
So when He speaks of knowing less than God the Father, it is from this
humbled state as a human and He reveals to man only what the Father
wishes man to know. So Jesus, being the son of man, was given what
knowledge God wished man to know and no more. In turn, Jesus has
revelaed that knowldge to us. Now and in the future, God, the Holy
Spirit, is and will be revealing what knowledge He wishes us to have.
07 Jan 12
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I have been thinking about the question of this Thread.
I think that since the Bible is a living book and the living Holy Spirit is needed to enlighten to men what God wants to speak, and at what varied times, I suppose what is ESSENTIAL may somewhat vary in different ages.
I think we need both the Holy Spirit and the apostles of the Lord to help illuminate what is the matter God is most seeking to impress people from in an AGE through the Holy Bible.
Some things are pretty constant - ie. Jesus Christ the center, the circumference, the main point in the whole Bible, and His church, and His kingdom.
But other ESSENTIALS may vary slightly by the "up-to-date" burden of the Holy Spirit for a given AGE.
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07 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillMaybe the Bible is like a medicine kit. What is essential depends on the situation.
I have been thinking about the question of this Thread.
I think that since the Bible is a living book and the living Holy Spirit is needed to enlighten to men what God wants to speak, and at what varied times, I suppose what is ESSENTIAL may somewhat vary in different ages.
I think we need both the Holy Spirit and the apostles of the Lord to help il ...[text shortened]... her ESSENTIALS may vary slightly by the "up-todate" burden of the Holy Spirit for a given AGE.
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillThat's all find and dandy but that does not go along with the Bible at all and scriptures which demand that we "worship God with spirit and TRUTH".
I have been thinking about the question of this Thread.
I think that since the Bible is a living book and the living Holy Spirit is needed to enlighten to men what God wants to speak, and at what varied times, I suppose what is ESSENTIAL may somewhat vary in different ages.
I think we need both the Holy Spirit and the apostles of the Lord to help il ...[text shortened]... er ESSENTIALS may vary slightly by the "up-to-date" burden of the Holy Spirit for a given AGE.
This is exactly what satan wants all humans to believe and that is "whatever goes."
That is not God's view and that is never taught in the Bible.
07 Jan 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsPerhaps you should look up the word distinct and correct your explination...
Distinct not separate.
I wrote, "The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God."
There in ONE God not THREE separate gods.
Yet, there is a distinction of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This is a mystery of God. This is what the Holy Bible says without
any addition or subtraction, as you wish.
Believe it or not.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/distinct
07 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75Still no comments on this????
He was a perfect man physically and that is the result of Jehovah being his father. So nothing new here so I've missed nothing. But he still could have sinned if he had choose too.
So he was in no way God who cannot sin at all as you yourself stated. So explain this with the trinity....
Where's the other trinity experts? Any thoughts on this?