18 Oct 10
Originally posted by ZahlanziYour teaching of your "two times table" cannot be improved.
why is vedanta perfect? why is my assumption that any teaching can be improved incorrect?
Two plus two will always be 4, and never can be improved.
This is just a material example, to show you that your logic is incorrect, but this happens when one has a fault finding attitude.
You fault find because you come to the forum, to make disturbance.
19 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhen you have absolute mathematical axioms where all the information is available, then you certainly can have an answer which does not change.
Your teaching of your "two times table" cannot be improved.
Two plus two will always be 4, and never can be improved.
This is just a material example, to show you that your logic is incorrect, but this happens when one has a fault finding attitude.
You fault find because you come to the forum, to make disturbance.
If there are too many unknown variables, then the best you can do is create models which fit your observations.
That is why scientific process has the concept of conjecture, hypothesis and theory.
Vedenta not only has too many unknown variables, it does not even fit observations. At best it is rejected conjecture.
19 Oct 10
Originally posted by lauseyMaterial apparatus cannot detect spiritual substance.
When you have absolute mathematical axioms where all the information is available, then you certainly can have an answer which does not change.
If there are too many unknown variables, then the best you can do is create models which fit your observations.
That is why scientific process has the concept of conjecture, hypothesis and theory.
Vedenta not ...[text shortened]... oo many unknown variables, it does not even fit observations. At best it is rejected conjecture.
Spiritual apparatus can however detect spiritual substance.
The spiritual apparatus is a persons purified mind and intelligence.
With this purified mind and intelligence, a person can perceive the truth of the soul and God.
Dishonest people, do not desire to purify their mind and intelligence, and therefore cannot perceive the truth of the soul and God.
In this defective state, the person boldly states that there is no soul or God.
We dont listen to these people.
Lausey, will you submit yourself to the necessary process of purifying your mind and intelligence, so you may perceive your own soul and God.
19 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhat does purifying the mind and intelligence entail?
Material apparatus cannot detect spiritual substance.
Spiritual apparatus can however detect spiritual substance.
The spiritual apparatus is a persons purified mind and intelligence.
With this purified mind and intelligence, a person can perceive the truth of the soul and God.
Dishonest people, do not desire to purify their mind and intellige ...[text shortened]... sary process of purifying your mind and intelligence, so you may perceive your own soul and God.
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by lauseyThere is a process for raising the consciousness to achieve spiritual understanding, and the first requirement is to have a strong desire to understand what is God, and what is your relationship to God, and you must be willing to give a much greater part of your time in this endeavor
What does purifying the mind and intelligence entail?
So firstly so we dont waste each others time.....do you have the first requirement?
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuAs to avoid wasting each other's time, the answer is "No".
There is a process for raising the consciousness to achieve spiritual understanding, and the first requirement is to have a strong desire to understand what is God, and what is your relationship to God, and you must be willing to give a much greater part of your time in this endeavor
So firstly so we dont waste each others time.....do you have the first requirement?
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by lauseyA while ago, someone asked a question, and after i gave a detailed answer, they responded saying Quote: "I didn't think that you really would answer the question because i dont want to hear that blah blah",....so you see!
As to avoid wasting each other's time, the answer is "No".
I was prepared to go into a full description of the process, but before typing three pages, I had to ask if you are sincere first.
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuYou are suggesting that I am insincere, which implies that I am dishonest.
A while ago, someone asked a question, and after i gave a detailed answer, they responded saying Quote: "I didn't think that you really would answer the question because i dont want to hear that blah blah",....so you see!
I was prepared to go into a full description of the process, but before typing three pages, I had to ask if you are sincere first.
Your definition of "purity" is vastly different to mine. It is highly subjective, hence why I asked the question to gather what your definition is.
You suggesting what the "first requirement" is was enough to give me information about how you see it. Basically, that you subscribe to wishy washy concepts which have little substance.
I have no interest in understanding a fantasy, hence why I answered, "No". Yet you imply that you are superior to me because you subscribe to this fantasy.
To me, purity of mind and intelligence does not mean anything.
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by lauseyYou are being dishonest again, because you infer that purity of mind and intelligence means nothing to you, but this is not true....because it does mean something to you, because you asked me directly "What does purifying the mind and intelligence entail"....and that implies that it means something to you.
You are suggesting that I am insincere, which implies that I am dishonest.
Your definition of "purity" is vastly different to mine. It is highly subjective, hence why I asked the question to gather what your definition is.
You suggesting what the "first requirement" is was enough to give me information about how you see it. Basically, that you subscribe ...[text shortened]... bscribe to this fantasy.
To me, purity of mind and intelligence does not mean anything.
You are agitated, because I picked up, that you where trying to bait me with an insincere question, and I do not want to waste my time with that game playing..
So we wont talk about this again OK.
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuThere you go again; calling someone “dishonest” just because you don't like what they have to say.
You are being dishonest again, because you infer that purity of mind and intelligence means nothing to you, but this is not true....because it does mean something to you, because you asked me directly "What does purifying the mind and intelligence entail"....and that implies that it means something to you.
You are agitated, because I picked up, that y ...[text shortened]... do not want to waste my time with that game playing..
So we wont talk about this again OK.
20 Oct 10
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Originally posted by vishvahetuI asked the question, because I wanted to understand what *you* meant by purifying of the mind and intelligence. Hence asking what it involved. To me, "pure" means something that is homogeneous. Mind and intelligence cannot be homogeneous. There are, of course, other definitions, like a synonym for virginity etc, but I doubt that is what you meant.
You are being dishonest again, because you infer that purity of mind and intelligence means nothing to you, but this is not true....because it does mean something to you, because you asked me directly "What does purifying the mind and intelligence entail"....and that implies that it means something to you.
You are agitated, because I picked up, that y ...[text shortened]... do not want to waste my time with that game playing..
So we wont talk about this again OK.
So when you mentioned that it required a strong desire to understanding God, it clarified that your view is completely different from mine, and I have no interest in going down that route.
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by ZahlanziYes, very tiring.
do you not find vishva tiring? like robbie used to be? like joseph and freaky are right now?
can any of you envision a way to get through to him?
I have no interest in converting Vishva to atheism, just point out the fundamental flaws in his posts. 🙂
It appears to be a mission to convert the rest of us to his way of thinking though. 😛
20 Oct 10
Originally posted by lauseylausey, You new that the context of what we were discussing, was the raising of the spiritual consciousness/ God, and so on.
I asked the question, because I wanted to understand what *you* meant by purifying of the mind and intelligence. Hence asking what it involved. To me, "pure" means something that is homogeneous. Mind and intelligence cannot be homogeneous. There are, of course, other definitions, like a synonym for virginity etc, but I doubt that is what you meant.
So when ...[text shortened]... your view is completely different from mine, and I have no interest in going down that route.
21 Oct 10
Originally posted by ZahlanziYes
do you not find vishva tiring? like robbie used to be? like joseph and freaky are right now?
can any of you envision a way to get through to him?
Robbie has improved, but still has his agenda
Joseph remains funny and my fave/unfave theist
Freaky is real wordy and...screw him.
Any more feedback on other posters?Seriously, this forum is starting to get a bit silly. More than usual. I'm getting less out of Vishy and taco where they want to be giving me more. I was a bit like that when I first got on here, now I really want to know who I'm conversing with. Blanket statements get no one nowhere...(I was going to say "fast" but...)
Hope you guys have a sense of humour. Here's a smiley 😀