1. London
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    22 Dec '05 14:18
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    No I wasnt trying to pick a fight but rather just clarify your definition. I agree with your above post in general but in earlier posts you implied that knowledge was important to be religous. I would still allow a much looser definition of religious to include anyone who follows a religion depending on the context in which it is used.
    If I made a statem ...[text shortened]... end is religous I would imply that he takes his religion more seriously than the average person.
    I say that knowledge is important in the sense that you've got to know what you believe in (even if you don't know the why) to be religious.

    Apologies for any confusion.
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    22 Dec '05 14:32
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    I say that knowledge is important in the sense that you've got to know what you believe in (even if you don't know the why) to be religious.
    Would it be impossible to create a religion around Ignorance?
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    22 Dec '05 14:43
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Would it be impossible to create a religion around Ignorance?
    Not sure in what sense you mean "religion around Ignorance".

    If you're asking whether it's possible for people to be "religious" about something they don't even know, I think it's certainly possible.
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    22 Dec '05 14:45
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Not sure in what sense you mean "religion around Ignorance".

    If you're asking whether it's possible for people to be "religious" about something they don't even know, I think it's certainly possible.
    "We worship the ineffable Mystery of Being, which we don't pretend to understand...Blessed be That Which We Wot Not Of!"
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    22 Dec '05 14:52
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "We worship the ineffable Mystery of Being, which we don't pretend to understand...Blessed be That Which We Wot Not Of!"
    Joking aside, isn't that exactly what a lot of people believe in?
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    22 Dec '05 15:05
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Would it be impossible to create a religion around Ignorance?
    No of course not, it is called Liberalism .........
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    22 Dec '05 19:45
    It seems to me there are five groups:

    (1) Those that simply stick with the religion* they absorbed growing up.

    (2) Those who “shop,” and make a good faith decision about which religion is the best “lamp to guide their feet.” I think that some influence of preferences (“this is how I think a God ought to be” ) is likely to be unavoidable, subconsciously at least.

    (3) Those who are led to one religion or another based on (their understanding of) spiritual or mystical experience (keeping these two terms separate, following lucifershammer).

    (4) Some combination of the above (e.g., a person who explores other religions, has a spiritual experience that confirms for them the one in which they grew up).

    (5) Those who have difficulty because they cannot accept any particular religion they have found en toto. This group might include those who ultimately find the “ground of being” ineffable to the extent that no single religion has a complete, or even sufficient, “handle” on it.

    None of these seem to me to be illegitimate in themselves; each can be done in good faith. In the end, all entail a decision and risk.

    * And it’s particular God-concepts. I also include by implication those who have no religion, agnostics, etc.; I’m just trying to keep as simple as I can.
  8. Standard memberKellyJay
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    23 Dec '05 15:18
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Would it be impossible to create a religion around Ignorance?
    Science. 🙂
    Kelly
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  10. Standard memberivangrice
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    23 Dec '05 19:41
    Originally posted by Omnislash
    Lol, you raise a good point here. Indeed, I must concede that spirituality has little/no necessary connection with knowledge.

    That said, how about 'religious', assuming we cleanly clarify that the two terms mean very different things?
    What does 'lol' mean?
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    Originally posted by ivangrice
    What does 'lol' mean?
    love our lord
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    23 Dec '05 20:40
    Originally posted by ivangrice
    What does 'lol' mean?
    laugh out loud
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    Originally posted by Coletti
    laugh out loud
    So why is it used inappropriately in so many cases?
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    23 Dec '05 20:44
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Ouch dude!

    How do you call science a "religion"? Science is a process of discovery. Science seeks truth.

    Religion fears science, not the other way around.
    "Science seeks truth" can be read as a religious statement.

    Science is not a person who can seek things. By personifying science, you have made Science you object of worship. Your deity.
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    23 Dec '05 20:45
    Originally posted by ivangrice
    So why is it used inappropriately in so many cases?
    Example?
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