18 Feb 06
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Originally posted by CogHow original. Am I going to be treated to another spectacular proof by assertion, or are you going to explain how religion is a fallacy?
because if a christian could actually think they wouldn't buy into all that fantasy and fallacy called religion. i wouldn't expect the village idiot to be able to think that through.
18 Feb 06
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Originally posted by Halitosei don't have to be original to be correct. belief in religion requires that you ignore rationality and logical thinking processes. i cannot make it any more clear for than that. of course anyone on this planet is free to be as ignorant as they like so i'm sure you'll continue muttering requests to some invisible thing in the sky.
How original. Am I going to be treated to another spectacular proof by assertion, or are you going to explain how religion is a fallacy?
18 Feb 06
Originally posted by CogArgumentum ad ignorantiam. The fallacy here is yours, not mine.
i don't have to be original to be correct. belief in religion requires that you ignore rationality and logical thinking processes. i cannot make it any more clear for than that. of course anyone on this planet is free to be as ignorant as they like so i'm sure you'll continue muttering requests to some invisible thing in the sky.
I'm still waiting for your proof that religion is illogical.
18 Feb 06
Originally posted by CogCould you offer an example of how religion or faith did not short circuit a rational thinking process?
Actually it's not. but as i've already stated belief in religion requires a short circuit in rational thinking processes. that's probably why you need this explained to you 3 times.
18 Feb 06
Originally posted by stockenIts an argument from ignorance. Cog claims that he cannot possibly conceive of a deity therefore a deity doesn't exist. Its a logical fallacy, since reality does not necessarily hinge on what is conceivable.
Now, this one was harder. There was no match in the excellent latin to english dictionary I found.
Guess it wasn't that great, eh?..
http://www.freedict.com/onldict/lat.html
19 Feb 06
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19 Feb 06
Originally posted by WulebgrPresumptuous, to a fault. There are those who accept all that the church (RCC or otherwise) has posited, since the time of the apostles, hook, line and sinker, without a second thought to veracity. Unlike some who question even the questions, they rest firmly in their trust of greater minds hashing out the bigger things, to (what they believe are) good results.
Don't you see how that sounds a bit presumptuous?
Nevertheless, for the sake of argument, let's say that we accept the authority of the Christian texts as certified by God. If we also consider the Qur'an in the same terms, we find some contradictions in the self-revealtion of God. How do we decide the relative merits of the competing claims?
I submit t ...[text shortened]... stian.
* I don't know this about you--I'm making an assumption for the sake of argument.
There are others who want to know why they believe what they are told to believe, as their trust in man is limited. They 'search the Scriptures daily, to see if these things are so,' constantly second-guessing their first guesses, never resting. Emphatically, again, never resting.
There are some in the creases in between.
This is a simplified view of the church, orthodox Christian, and spectrums of varying degrees of the same.
In juxtaposition, anything outside of the Christian perspective is in opposition of the truth. You are asking to hold as equal something not equal to the Word of God. We should expect to see contradictions. You rightly assume that merits must be considered to determine the veracity of the competing claims. And the beauty of the concept of human freedom is this: each of us gets to determine our own faith and fate.
I think you are almost absolutely correct in your submission. Environment, however, is not everything, and this is where your submission loses ground. There are a plethora of examples from either society of those darting over to the 'other side's' faith. Plenty of examples of Muslims turning to Jesus, and Christians renouncing their roots to adopt the way of the Qu'ran. Just as in a democracy, it really means... not a lot. Each person's vote is just each person's vote. Nothing man does can change gravity's pull to the earth on all falling bodies. Truth is truth.
I think the accident of my birth is really no accident at all (unless you ask my dad!): I was born in the US where Christianity is dominant, only because God knew I wasn't strong enough to fight any other tides to get to the truth.
19 Feb 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHDoesn't this entail that, generally speaking, those who weren't born in predominantly Christian countries are stronger than those of us who were? If, as you claim, God made it the case that you were born in the U.S. because you wouldn't have been strong enough to "fight the tides", then aren't you committed to the claim that, generally speaking, those born in the midst of those "tides" were allowed by God to be born therein because they are, in some respect, stronger than you are?
I think the accident of my birth is really no accident at all (unless you ask my dad!): I was born in the US where Christianity is dominant, only because God knew I wasn't strong enough to fight any other tides to get to the truth.
19 Feb 06
Originally posted by bbarrYou catch on fast.
Doesn't this entail that, generally speaking, those who weren't born in predominantly Christian countries are stronger than those of us who were? If, as you claim, God made it the case that you were born in the U.S. because you wouldn't have been strong enough to "fight the tides", then aren't you committed to the claim that, generally speaking, those born in ...[text shortened]... owed by God to be born therein because they are, in some respect, stronger than you are?