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    01 Oct '17 16:50
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Yes there is but that does not negate the truth of this part of the gospel. If you reject this part you reject it all.
    Sure as long as you recognize there is more to it.
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    01 Oct '17 16:52
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Thou shalt not kill.

    What about in self defense?

    Man has put 'wiggle room' into those commandments.

    Thou shalt not steal.

    What if a starving person takes a loaf of bread? He either dies, or eats.

    Stop pretending that this is a cut and dry topic.

    God created sin, because God created humans.

    Deal with it.
    So God is responsible for the choices you make? Does God force you to drink or was it your choice?
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    01 Oct '17 16:52
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Sure as long as you recognize there is more to it.
    Of course there is more to it.

    In the end God makes the call, not us, even for our own salvation.
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    01 Oct '17 16:58
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Both are sinners, types don't change anything.
    You just said that honest mistakes and hateful actions are the same in the eyes of your god, according to you.
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    01 Oct '17 16:58
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    So God is responsible for the choices you make? Does God force you to drink or was it your choice?
    Why this need to label yourselves as sinners???

    Horrible, horrible people who need Jesus??

    I don't accept that.

    God created us, as HE wanted to create us.

    Don't pretend that "sin" and a "talking snake" changes that.
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    01 Oct '17 17:55
    Originally posted by @apathist
    You just said that honest mistakes and hateful actions are the same in the eyes of your god, according to you.
    Yes that is right sin is sin if you realize it or not. Do you think drinking poison will only kill you if your aware you drank poison.
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    01 Oct '17 18:15
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Yes that is right sin is sin if you realize it or not. Do you think drinking poison will only kill you if your aware you drank poison.
    Poison doesn't require our awareness that it is poison. I kinda expected more from an almighty god.

    I've said it before: this god you peddle is evil, and you just confirmed that point again.
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    01 Oct '17 18:201 edit
    Originally posted by @apathist
    Poison doesn't require our awareness that it is poison. I kinda expected more from an almighty god.

    I've said it before: this god you peddle is evil, and you just confirmed that point again.
    The term 'evil' as you use it, does it describe actions that you view to be morally unsound for only you or for everyone?
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    01 Oct '17 19:41
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Why this need to label yourselves as sinners???

    Horrible, horrible people who need Jesus??

    I don't accept that.

    God created us, as HE wanted to create us.

    Don't pretend that "sin" and a "talking snake" changes that.
    Why do you attack other posters? Your views twist around and around from day to day
    and never seems to stay the same.
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    01 Oct '17 19:52
    Originally posted by @apathist
    Poison doesn't require our awareness that it is poison. I kinda expected more from an almighty god.

    I've said it before: this god you peddle is evil, and you just confirmed that point again.
    Neither does sin, you don't have to be aware of sin to be guilty of it, since there are
    more than a few people who no longer feel bad when they do wrong. The ability to
    feel bad or guilty is not required, if it were than those that could harm others without
    guilt would be guiltless. What will happen is that we will hold others accountable for
    the very things we do, thus we will condemn ourselves by our own actions and words.

    The only way to stay clear on what is and isn't the right thing to do is through the
    leading of God's Spirit in one's life. Without God you will be on your own to do things
    as you see fit, and you will be held accountable for those choices and actions too.

    You can claim God is a peddler of evil, but when you are confronted with both God
    and your life, you will have no excuses, but will stand accountable for what you claim
    is the way it should be now.
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    01 Oct '17 23:07
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Great. So even gentiles, who adhere to their conscience where God's law is written, but still occasionally sin, are also saved.

    I can sleep soundly tonight.
    I didn't say that.
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    02 Oct '17 03:43
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Why this need to label yourselves as sinners???

    Horrible, horrible people who need Jesus??

    I don't accept that.

    God created us, as HE wanted to create us.

    Don't pretend that "sin" and a "talking snake" changes that.
    All of us have disobeyed God's commands at some point, that makes us sinners. It's really not a difficult concept to understand.
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    02 Oct '17 07:37
    Originally posted by @eladar
    I didn't say that.
    Did you forget you already responded to this post and wrote:

    "Of course Gentiles can be saved.As for salvation, if a person upholds to all aspects of sin you may be right."

    Why the sudden u turn?
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    02 Oct '17 08:10
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Did you forget you already responded to this post and wrote:

    "Of course Gentiles can be saved.As for salvation, if a person upholds to all aspects of sin you may be right."

    Why the sudden u turn?
    Every Christian that is saved that wasn't a Jew was a Gentile. So yes Gentiles can be saved, if they submit to the word of God.
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    02 Oct '17 10:31
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Every Christian that is saved that wasn't a Jew was a Gentile. So yes Gentiles can be saved, if they submit to the word of God.
    Sure, but then atheists (being non-Jewish) are also Gentiles.
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