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Originally posted by robbie carrobieMountain lions?! No match for a skilled hunter gatherer armed with a pair of underpants, let alone a fruit-knife!!!
mountain lions?
Originally posted by Proper KnobI just went camping last weekend. I spent three days in a tent with no shower and no electricity. I chased an overly inquisitive raccoon from my campsite. Does that count?
Mankind may not be able to give up agriculture, but you can. What's to stop you selling everything you own, donating the money to charity and then marching off into the American mountains armed only with a fruit-knife and a spare pair of underpants to live out the rest of your days as a hunter-gatherer?
Originally posted by rwingettYou are making assumptions about what and how I think, and how other 'technologists' think that are unfounded and plainly not true.
So it's a race to see if your vaunted technology liberates you before it destroys you. Well, I say that's a race you'll lose. You'll destroy the biosphere long before you've liberated yourselves from any terrestrial confines. Your 'space colony' is a pipe dream that relieves you from having to deal with the problem of biosphere destruction in a serious mann ...[text shortened]... ain, googlefudge, before it's too late. One way or another it's going to derail.
Originally posted by PenguinI disagree about the quality of life argument, but broadly yes I agree.
In many ways, you are right.
People in hunter-gatherer societies tend to be more content.
They tend to have more leisure time.
They have a smaller impact on the environment.
The invention of agriculture certainly changed all that.
However...
Hunter-gatherer societies have the same level of control over their environment as any other animal spec ...[text shortened]... term) before farming. At least now there is the possibility of saving ourselves.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by rwingettInteresting points he brought out.
http://anthropology.lbcc.edu/handoutsdocs/mistake.pdf
This is a five page article by Jared Diamond, author of books such as [b]Guns, Germs, and Steel, and Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, which some of you may be familiar with. In it he puts forward the theory that agriculture was the worst mistake in the history of th ...[text shortened]... to hear it from someone a little more conversant with the facts than I. Anyway, I recommend it.[/b]
Originally posted by rwingettOur only hope of salvation is accepting Jesus the Christ as our Lord
A hypocrite? Please! My dear twhitehead, it is no longer possible for mankind to give up agriculture. For better or for worse, we are stuck with the 'fruits' of the worst mistake in the history of the human race. We have been expelled from Eden and can never, ever re-enter it. We can't unlearn what we gained from the tree of knowledge. But we can try to re- ...[text shortened]... e damage that has been wrought before its too late. Therein lies our only hope for salvation.
Originally posted by googlefudge"or deodorant". lol
Excellent, so we can live as a hunter gatherer society until the big volcanic eruption, plague, climate shift,
or asteroid impact wipes us out.
Meanwhile we live short, hard lives, with no modern medicine, hygiene, dental care, or deodorant.
No opera, theatre, cinema, books, maths, science, astronomy, great music, or collective exteligence of any
kind.
Consider me Utterly unpersuaded.
Originally posted by sonhousePray tell, why are the seven billion starving, when there is food for all, food for more?
So when the population reaches 10 billion and we can only support 3 and 7 starve to death, that is when your lord will come down and save the rest of the foolish humans?
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't see a link between the 2 scenarios. RJHind is speaking of the salvation of the soul.
So when the population reaches 10 billion and we can only support 3 and 7 starve to death, that is when your lord will come down and save the rest of the foolish humans?