The Snowflake and Evolution

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Is Snowflake crystals development roughly analogous to the biolological Evolution process ?

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Originally posted by jaywill
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Is Snowflake crystals development roughly analogous to the biolological Evolution process ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOevibWgm4

No, there is no natural selection among snowflakes.

Originally posted by jaywill
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Is Snowflake crystals development roughly analogous to the biolological Evolution process ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOevibWgm4

In what way?

What aspect of snowflake development are you asking is analogous to what aspect of biological evolution?

Originally posted by jaywill
We can start here.

Is Snowflake crystals development roughly analogous to the biolological Evolution process ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOevibWgm4

"X is like Y in manner Z" is an analogy. As such, analogies do not exist in nature independent of some mind, because "Z" is the product of a mind that thinks it has found something it can use in an argument. 😉

Originally posted by jaywill
We can start here.

Is Snowflake crystals development roughly analogous to the biolological Evolution process ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOevibWgm4

ive watched the clip and the two guys make the same mistake christians on here do. snowflakes are used as an example to show complexity arising from simplicity. they are not used as a comparison between a snowflakes structure and the development of a living organism.

maybe it would be easier if rather than snowflakes (which christians seem to stuggle with because its too tempting to compare everything about the snowflake with everything about organisms) i think looking at fractals would be a better way of understanding the complexity arising from simplicity point atheist are trying to make.

have a look at some pretty fractals -

http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=maths+fractals&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1821&bih=857&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=B266T-

a simple bit of mathematical tinkering and voila amazing, beautiful, random seeming, individual, unique structures appear.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
ive watched the clip and the two guys make the same mistake christians on here do. snowflakes are used as an example to show complexity arising from simplicity. they are not used as a comparison between a snowflakes structure and the development of a living organism.

maybe it would be easier if rather than snowflakes (which christians seem to stuggl ...[text shortened]... al tinkering and voila amazing, beautiful, random seeming, individual, unique structures appear.

Someone snuck a Romanesco broccoli into that search result -- confirming that the analogy is strong. 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesco_broccoli

"Romanesco broccoli resembles a cauliflower, but is of a light green color and the inflorescence (the bud) has an approximate self-similar character, with the branched meristems making a logarithmic spiral. In this sense the broccoli's shape approximates a natural fractal; each bud is composed of a series of smaller buds, all arranged in yet another logarithmic spiral. This self-similar pattern continues at several smaller levels."

Originally posted by googlefudge
In what way?

What aspect of snowflake development are you asking is analogous to what aspect of biological evolution?

He didn't explain this did he. He is often very unclear.
But, from previous posts, I am guessing here that this might have something to do with the fact we assume they are both caused by mindless processes without a goal/plan with intent and in that way they are analogous -but that is just a guess because he is very unclear.
I cannot stomach wasting time going through all that stupid religious propaganda crap in his videos made by morons like himself just to check to see if something in his video link gives clues to what he may have meant.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Science forum?

oh please, no!
The last place he belongs is in the science forum!

Originally posted by stellspalfie
ive watched the clip and the two guys make the same mistake christians on here do. snowflakes are used as an example to show complexity arising from simplicity. they are not used as a comparison between a snowflakes structure and the development of a living organism.

maybe it would be easier if rather than snowflakes (which christians seem to stuggl ...[text shortened]... al tinkering and voila amazing, beautiful, random seeming, individual, unique structures appear.

First you all must listen to the second movement of Howard Hanson's Third Symphony. Debate will continue after this musical interlude.

II Kings 3:15

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Isn't that pretty ?

Originally posted by jaywill
First you all must listen to the second movement of [b] Howard Hanson's Third Symphony. Debate will continue after this musical interlude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr3B8XHfR6k

Isn't that pretty ?[/b]

it certainly is. its amazing how much beauty and complexity can be achieved with a few simple chords 🙂

Originally posted by stellspalfie
it certainly is. its amazing how much beauty and complexity can be achieved with a few simple chords 🙂

And those simple chords stem from nothing more than 12 notes.

Originally posted by jaywill
First you all must listen to the second movement of [b] Howard Hanson's Third Symphony. Debate will continue after this musical interlude.

II Kings 3:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr3B8XHfR6k

Isn't that pretty ?[/b]

too slow for my taste. my life tempo is faster.

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
ive watched the clip and the two guys make the same mistake christians on here do. snowflakes are used as an example to show complexity arising from simplicity. they are not used as a comparison between a snowflakes structure and the development of a living organism.

maybe it would be easier if rather than snowflakes (which christians seem to stuggl ...[text shortened]... al tinkering and voila amazing, beautiful, random seeming, individual, unique structures appear.

Awesome!!!

Everyone should check these out ... thanks stellspafie 😉

Originally posted by Proper Knob
And those simple chords stem from nothing more than 12 notes.

And it needs intelligence to bring them forward to our ears in just the right way, doesn't it?