Spirituality
09 Jun 09
09 Jun 09
Originally posted by SeitseThere's a fancy term Catholics have, "ex cathedra," which roughly translates, "Do as the Pope say, not as the Pope do."
Yeah, I mean, Jesus left no instructions to have a worldly representative who, unlike him, screws and makes mistakes and dies and doesn't resurrect.
I mean, WTF, dude?!
09 Jun 09
Originally posted by SeitseSounds like a strawman argument to me. Can you show that the pope claims to be Jesus' worldly representative?
Yeah, I mean, Jesus left no instructions to have a worldly representative who, unlike him, screws and makes mistakes and dies and doesn't resurrect.
I mean, WTF, dude?!
How is making mistakes, dying and not resurrecting relevant in any way?
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09 Jun 09
Originally posted by SeitseActually, every bishop is vicar of Christ in his own church. And each priest, when he presides over the celebration of the Eucharist, also acts as Christ's vicar, or in persona Christi.
Yeah, I mean, Jesus left no instructions to have a worldly representative who, unlike him, screws and makes mistakes and dies and doesn't resurrect.
I mean, WTF, dude?!
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by Conrau KA vicar of Christ?
Actually, every bishop is vicar of Christ in his own church. And each priest, when he presides over the celebration of the Eucharist, also acts as Christ's vicar, or in persona Christi.
They must have had 2 employers then.
Who told them to molest little boys?
Sure as hell it aint Christ.
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10 Jun 09
Originally posted by Rajk999No one is perfect and no priest claims to be perfect. It is a Catholic doctrine, see Original Sin, that every human is fallen and can only do good with God's grace.
A vicar of Christ?
They must have had 2 employers then.
Who told them to molest little boys?
Sure as hell it aint Christ.
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by Conrau KIf you were not so well-trained to regurgitate the rubbish they feed you, you will have realised that by that comment, clearly God's grace must have already left the Catholics.
No one is perfect and no priest claims to be perfect. It is a Catholic doctrine, see Original Sin, that every human is fallen and can only do good with God's grace.
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by Rajk999Do you have evidence that all catholics are incapable of doing good? Do you even have any evidence that catholics are on average less good than anyone else? In Zambia, the Catholic Church is by far the most giving denomination (I must admit that they are also the largest and probably richest).
If you were not so well-trained to regurgitate the rubbish they feed you, you will have realised that by that comment, clearly God's grace must have already left the Catholics.
Or did you think he said that with Gods grace a catholic will do no wrong?
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by Conrau KThat must lead to a lack of self esteem. Do you honestly believe that every time you do good, it was because God helped you to?
No one is perfect and no priest claims to be perfect. It is a Catholic doctrine, see Original Sin, that every human is fallen and can only do good with God's grace.
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by twhitehead"Vicar of Christ" has been used to refer to the Pope ever since some crazy Pope in the year 490-something. Nowadays you can find such claim in the catechism of the catholic church.
Sounds like a strawman argument to me. Can you show that the pope claims to be Jesus' worldly representative?
How is making mistakes, dying and not resurrecting relevant in any way?
"Vicar" is defined as "representative".
So, Jesus left no representative and, moreover, he needs no representative, particularly not a human and, even more, not a human who heads a political & business machine focused on many things but Jesus' legacy and teachings.