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@philokalia saidThe bible is hardly original is it!
I am curious if there is anything to the plagiarism claim or if you are just suggesting that the recounting of some of the Bible stories is plagiarism.
@philokalia saidThe bible is hardly original is it!
I am curious if there is anything to the plagiarism claim or if you are just suggesting that the recounting of some of the Bible stories is plagiarism.
@wolfgang59 saidI am aware of the claims that the other myths about the Great Flood are predecessors of the Bible,, and I am aware of claims that even the story of Joseph is meant to mirror an Egyptian fable (although this far less persuasive) which was likewise a common near Eastern trope...
The bible is hardly original is it!
@sonship saidThe one person's vision-based writing of the Book of Revelation and Muhammed's one person vision-based writing share the same credibility-incredibility level. There is no credible reason to believe either was the result of "divine" intervention.
As I listened to this video I compared some of the logic of the speaker to see if the same observations could be said about the Bible.
The one person's vision-based writing of the Book of Revelation and Muhammed's one person vision-based writing share the same credibility-incredibility level. There is no credible reason to believe either was the result of "divine" intervention.
Edit: actually, the same can be said for whatever Paul wrote ~ where one is expected to believe that he somehow met Jesus after Jesus was dead and later sat down and wrote a big chunk of the Bible.
@sonship saidThe religions being different doesn't prove anything. You should just stick with Christianity.
Paul did not question that what he received possibly came from demons. Muhammed did.
Paul did not want to commit suicide for what he experienced.
Muhammed did.
Paul did not update his supposed messages from God so he could indulge more girlfriends and ripe off others of their wives.
Muhammed's prohecies from Allah sometimes have the obvious flavor of self servi ...[text shortened]... ry of Christianity are doing so in spite of and against the teaching of their supposed Master Jesus.
@sonship saidOne could argue that The Koran is the climax of 1,000s of years of Abrahamic scripture and worship stretching back to Genesis. And one could argue - quite rightly - that Revelation was the product of one man supposedly having a dream/vision and then technocrats fiddling and fussing over it for hundreds of years. I think there is no credible reason to believe either was the result of "divine" intervention.
The Koran is the product of one man over 30 years. Revelation is the climax to a book of 40 authors spanning 1600 years.
@sonship saidWell if we are both wrong, and Islam is the true revelation of the creator god after all, then your embarrassment and objection to fighting are moot,
Muhammed's kingdom is all about fighting in this world. And heaven is so described as obviously fleshly and indulgence to man's lust as to be embaressing.
And I saw when He opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became as blood.
And the stars of heaven fell to the earth as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind." (Rev. 6:12,13)
37:6-10
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars, (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits, (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side, Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty, Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.
67:5
And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
72:8-9
(Demons are speaking)
'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. 'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.