28 Dec 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeI think you are the one who is practising self deception. Would you mistake one cell for a human child? I hope not. So tell me, how do you figure that it unmistakably is one?
Just dehumanise it, do not call it human, although it unmistakenly is, and there you go ... you can kill it.
This has nothing to do with civilisation but everything with manipulation and (self)deception.
28 Dec 06
Originally posted by whiteroseI do not want to start an abortion debate in this thread, so I would rather not go into it .... but who knows who will join you if you initiate a new thread dealing with this issue.
I think you are the one who is practising self deception. Would you mistake one cell for a human child? I hope not. So tell me, how do you figure that it unmistakably is one?
29 Dec 06
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Originally posted by snowinscotlandGet your facts straight. The death penalty was only imposed on the most recalcitrant and unrepentant of heretics -- and there too nearly half of them were "executed" in absentia (i.e. in effigy) because they could not be found. The vast majority of people convicted of heresy were given much lighter punishments (e.g. pilgrimages or banishment for a limited period).
As opposed to killing people who dare to disagree with us? eh Mr Inquisitor? Tortured to death for disagreement, oh and if we could take your property and goods 'for the church' that'd be just fine. What? You wish to recant? Well recant then, and we'll kill you as soon as you have recanted, to prevent you 'being lost' again....
Someone who recanted was never executed.
If you're going to spout diatribe, the least you can do is try and learn some real history (instead of myths).
EDIT: Oh, and no one was "tortured to death".
29 Dec 06
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Originally posted by lucifershammerI do beg your pardon. Only half of those found guilty of heresy were actually executed. (Thank goodness, no killing there then). And torture was never used to kill them (well never knowingly tortured to death), simply used to extract the confessions which were then used to impose the death sentence. Well that's all right then. We can go forth safe in the hands of the Inquisition. As long as you believe what they say you'll be OK.
Get your facts straight. The death penalty was only imposed on the most recalcitrant and unrepentant of heretics -- and there too nearly half of them were "executed" in absentia (i.e. in effigy) because they could not be found. The vast majority of people convicted of heresy were given much lighter punishments (e.g. pilgrimages or banishment fo earn some real history (instead of myths).
EDIT: Oh, and no one was "tortured to death".
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerIf they repented, they would be strangled rather than burnt alive (which doesn't count as torture).
Get your facts straight....
Someone who recanted was never executed.
If you're going to spout diatribe, the least you can do is try and learn some real history (instead of myths).
EDIT: Oh, and no one was "tortured to death".
http://crf-usa.org/bria/bria9_1.htm
I think my friend you need to examine your eyesight, because it seems to be very rose tinted to me when you look in certain directions.
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerI'm guessing you think that getting burnt at the stake wasnt painful.
Get your facts straight. The death penalty was only imposed on the most recalcitrant and unrepentant of heretics -- and there too nearly half of them were "executed" in absentia (i.e. in effigy) because they could not be found. The vast majority of people convicted of heresy were given much lighter punishments (e.g. pilgrimages or banishment fo ...[text shortened]... earn some real history (instead of myths).
EDIT: Oh, and no one was "tortured to death".
31 Dec 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeI had a couple of reactions. He seemed like a gentleman. He was very careful to say several times ((and this may have been in another interview) that not all Christians or people of faith deny evolution. As I get ready for church today, I kept wondering if those interviews would be good material for young Christians to look at and struggle with. He keeps coming back to whether or not Christianity or religion accomplishes good things is besides the point. He believes God doesn't exist. He finds his purpose or meaning in other things.
... and what are your findings ?
31 Dec 06
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Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: " As I get ready for church today, I kept wondering if those interviews would be good material for young Christians to look at and struggle with."
I had a couple of reactions. He seemed like a gentleman. He was very careful to say several times ((and this may have been in another interview) that not all Christians or people of faith deny evolution. As I get ready for church today, I kept wondering if those interviews would be good material for young Christians to look at and struggle with. He k ...[text shortened]... es the point. He believes God doesn't exist. He finds his purpose or meaning in other things.
Why would his interviews be good material for young Christians to look at and to struggle with ?
31 Dec 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeTo get them to think. Young people today like simple answers. They don't want to struggle. They want to be around like-minded people.
Kirk: " As I get ready for church today, I kept wondering if those interviews would be good material for young Christians to look at and struggle with."
Why would his interviews be good material for young Christians to look at and to struggle with ?
31 Dec 06
Originally posted by kirksey957So does that mean you like complex answers and being around people who are contrary to how you think and act? Wait a minute, you must, you post alot on these boards. Never mind.
To get them to think. Young people today like simple answers. They don't want to struggle. They want to be around like-minded people.