21 Feb 10
So, any takes on the actual subject?
For those who believe in the afterlife at soul level: where is the soul
of the frozen ones?
For Robbie: interesting point, man. So, is the soul back in the body
when it is unfrozen? Are there, in your opinion, theological implications
of this?
Thanks,
-S-
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNice confession. It's good to see you can be humble. 😉
shut it, your next! 😛
actually Noobster what you are witnessing happens all the time, someone makes a point without knowing what they are talking about despite their pretensions, when someone else points out the inconsistency of their point of view, they get defensive and being devoid of reasoning resort to the only avenue open to them, personal ...[text shortened]... nder the subsection, anatomy of an argument. Its amazing what you will read when you are bored.
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by Seitsethink of it like a candle dude, when you burn a candle you get light, the flame is animated , when you put it out, where does the flame go? that's correct it simply ceases to exist. It doesn't go anywhere. Thus when a person dies, the life force which animated them, returns to God, the body which the life force animated is now, in your scenario, frozen. Thus the soul, is the body+ the life force which animates it. The person is now conscious of nothing at all.
So, any takes on the actual subject?
For those who believe in the afterlife at soul level: where is the soul
of the frozen ones?
For Robbie: interesting point, man. So, is the soul back in the body
when it is unfrozen? Are there, in your opinion, theological implications
of this?
Thanks,
-S-
(Ps My little boy who is eight asks if you know Speedy Gonzalez in Guadalajara or Ray Mysterio the wrestler, two of his favourites)
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by Seitse"For those who believe in the afterlife at soul level: where is the soul
So, any takes on the actual subject?
For those who believe in the afterlife at soul level: where is the soul
of the frozen ones?
For Robbie: interesting point, man. So, is the soul back in the body
when it is unfrozen? Are there, in your opinion, theological implications
of this?
Thanks,
-S-
of the frozen ones?"
If in fact freezing them killed them, which I believe it did, their souls went to their eternal resting place. For those who were saved, eternal rest. For those who were not saved, eternal unrest.
But according to robbie the soul and body are one and the same, so they are simple frozen, or just plain dead.
21 Feb 10
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Originally posted by josephwnope thats not what Robbie has said. I have posted numerous scriptures which attest to the fact that the soul, is the body plus the life force which animates it! This was based on an understanding of both the Hebrew and the Greek terms translated as 'soul', in the bible and numerous scriptural references to illustrate the point. Do not misrepresent what i stated, its a breach of the terms of service! Robbie point is that there is no conscious entity which transcends death and floats around somewhere in the afterlife, either enjoying eternal bliss or being tormented eternally.
[b]"For those who believe in the afterlife at soul level: where is the soul
of the frozen ones?"
If in fact freezing them killed them, which I believe it did, their souls went to their eternal resting place. For those who were saved, eternal rest. For those who were not saved, eternal unrest.
But according to robbie the soul and body are one and the same, so they are simple frozen, or just plain dead.[/b]
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI get it, no probs. The question which is puzzling me, though, is
think of it like a candle dude, when you burn a candle you get light, the flame is animated , when you put it out, where does the flame go? that's correct it simply ceases to exist. It doesn't go anywhere. Thus when a person dies, the life force which animated them, returns to God, the body which the life force animated is now, in your scenario, f ...[text shortened]... f you know Speedy Gonzalez in Guadalajara or Ray Mysterio the wrestler, two of his favourites)
what happens when the frozen person is reanimated.
...
Lulz, tell your kiddo that I do know Speedy and he is very cool,
indeed. Faster than cats and all the pretty mice señoritas want
to be Speedy's girlfriend. Rey Misterio unfortunately don't know
well... I emigrated before he became famous. I am much more
a fan of El Santo, a true classic 🙂
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by SeitseThe question which is puzzling me, though, is
I get it, no probs. The question which is puzzling me, though, is
what happens when the frozen person is reanimated.
...
Lulz, tell your kiddo that I do know Speedy and he is very cool,
indeed. Faster than cats and all the pretty mice señoritas want
to be Speedy's girlfriend. Rey Misterio unfortunately don't know
well... I emigrated before he became famous. I am much more
a fan of El Santo, a true classic 🙂
what happens when the frozen person is reanimated.
Nobody knows, as it's never been done and probably never will
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by josephwOk, but just speculating that they can be reanimated when the
[b]"For those who believe in the afterlife at soul level: where is the soul
of the frozen ones?"
If in fact freezing them killed them, which I believe it did, their souls went to their eternal resting place. For those who were saved, eternal rest. For those who were not saved, eternal unrest.
But according to robbie the soul and body are one and the same, so they are simple frozen, or just plain dead.[/b]
cure for their disease is discovered: will their bodies return to
life without a soul? If not, will the soul be flushed down off the
paradise in order to return t the person?
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBunk. A total contradiction of Biblical truth.
think of it like a candle dude, when you burn a candle you get light, the flame is animated , when you put it out, where does the flame go? that's correct it simply ceases to exist. It doesn't go anywhere. Thus when a person dies, the life force which animated them, returns to God, the body which the life force animated is now, in your scenario, f ...[text shortened]... f you know Speedy Gonzalez in Guadalajara or Ray Mysterio the wrestler, two of his favourites)
What you're saying is that without a body a person has no identity. There's just a "life force" that returns to God when the body dies.
You lie!
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by Seitsewell Seitse i really dont know? i suppose its possible that they could animate the body again, but as for their memories and experiences, who can tell?
I get it, no probs. The question which is puzzling me, though, is
what happens when the frozen person is reanimated.
...
Lulz, tell your kiddo that I do know Speedy and he is very cool,
indeed. Faster than cats and all the pretty mice señoritas want
to be Speedy's girlfriend. Rey Misterio unfortunately don't know
well... I emigrated before he became famous. I am much more
a fan of El Santo, a true classic 🙂
(he says thanks, Speedy is awesome, and all them bad putty cats are loco in the capasa (spelling????), but that El Santo is real dirty)
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobI think we agree: nobody knows.
[b]The question which is puzzling me, though, is
what happens when the frozen person is reanimated.
Nobody knows, as it's never been done and probably never will[/b]
But hey, for the sake of an interesting chat, let's speculate:
what will happen if they are reanimated?
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by josephwexcuse me, shall i provide another verse for you not to explain? again?
Bunk. A total contradiction of Biblical truth.
What you're saying is that without a body a person has no identity. There's just a "life force" that returns to God when the body dies.
You lie!
(Ecclesiastes 9:5-6) . . .For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.
now you shall be pleased to stop with these personal attacks and try to reason on scripture, just for a refreshing change, who knows what you might learn?
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's exactly what is going around my head over and over again:
well Seitse i really dont know? i suppose its possible that they could animate the body again, but as for their memories and experiences, who can tell?
(he says thanks, Speedy is awesome, and all them bad putty cats are loco in the capasa (spelling????), but that El Santo is real dirty)
memories, experiences, feelings, ideas, affections, etc. WHat could
happen? If they're all there and all continues as usual, then it can be
argued that the soul is a whole rooted in the body, as you say.
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Lulz, funny chap you have there. It's "cabeza", if he means loco in the head 🙂
21 Feb 10
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Originally posted by Proper Knobwhy dont you think that it ever will be achievable, aren't we just a series of electro chemical exchanges and impulses according to your precious theories dear Noobster?
[b]The question which is puzzling me, though, is
what happens when the frozen person is reanimated.
Nobody knows, as it's never been done and probably never will[/b]
21 Feb 10
Originally posted by SeitseFreeze the body and it dies. The soul and spirit are separated from the body at death and go to either heaven or hell based on what the individual chose to believe when presented with the gospel of the grace of God while alive.
Ok, but just speculating that they can be reanimated when the
cure for their disease is discovered: will their bodies return to
life without a soul? If not, will the soul be flushed down off the
paradise in order to return t the person?