10 Jul 06
Originally posted by masscatConsider yourselves warned.
It’s not my words you are rejecting; it’s the Word of God. My job is simply to preach the Gospel and warn people of God’s wrath to come on unbelievers. I have no control over people’s reaction to it, and I realize most will reject the Gospel. Consider yourselves warned.
Having said that, I have to ask what keeps bringing some of you back to this forum o ...[text shortened]... y opposed to. Wouldn’t be surprised if some of you became preachers even…seen it happen before!
Thanks.
Personally, I come back because I aim to discredit your silly religious beliefs, which again I find degrading and debilitating. One would think that constant refutation of Christian claims would be enough, but that doesn’t seem to work on all you fundamentalist types. Put simply: one day when I have young, impressionable children, I don’t want you or anyone else telling them how worthless they are and subjugating them into the enfeebling stance that they somehow need your imaginary Jesus.
10 Jul 06
Originally posted by whodeySo Jesus' words are meaningless according to your death worship.
Yes, you must be poor in spirit, mournfull, and meek, in that order no less, in order to inherit eternal life. Christ going to the cross was just done for kicks.
How about these words later in the passage:
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a lamp, and put it under the bushel, but on the stand; and it shineth unto all that are in the house.
16 Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Does this sound like Jesus is saying these men are unworthy? You know "the light of the world" who's light will "shine before men; that they may see your good works,"?
10 Jul 06
Originally posted by LemonJelloI’m not going to explain it because you are trying to bait me into a pointless discussion.
If so, how do you explain that?
Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
P.S. I sincerely hope you’re one of those guys I was talking about that becomes a preacher someday.
😀
10 Jul 06
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Originally posted by LemonJelloOne would think that constant refutation of Christian claims would be enough, but that doesn’t seem to work on all you fundamentalist types.
[b]Consider yourselves warned.
Thanks.
Personally, I come back because I aim to discredit your silly religious beliefs, which again I find degrading and debilitating. One would think that constant refutation of Christian claims would be enough, but that doesn’t seem to work on all you fundamentalist types. Put simply: one day when I have young ...[text shortened]... are and subjugating them into the enfeebling stance that they somehow need your imaginary Jesus.[/b]
Constant refutation? Here I was thinking Christianity to be a rationally consistent system. Silly me.
Put simply: one day when I have young, impressionable children, I don’t want you or anyone else telling them how worthless they are and subjugating them into the enfeebling stance that they somehow need your imaginary Jesus.
So you would rather impress upon their naïve minds the existentialist despair and absurdity of life? When you do, try to emphasize the ultimate meaninglessness of trying to pick yourself up by your own bootstraps: that all men, whether great or small, weak or powerful, rich or poor, share the same fate as the universe eventually collapses on itself -- crushing everything in its endless, self-created cycle of expansion and contraction; perhaps never again to have all the parameters so perfectly aligned to support life; where all deeds, profound or not, will be forgotten to endless ebbs of meaningless eternity.
I personally prefer option B.
10 Jul 06
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Originally posted by HalitoseHow narcissistic of you! Can't you simply believe that you're a small part of the infinite Tao? Or do you need a starring role and one of the big trailers?
[b]One would think that constant refutation of Christian claims would be enough, but that doesn’t seem to work on all you fundamentalist types.
Constant refutation? Here I was thinking Christianity to be a rationally consistent system. Silly me.
[b/]Put simply: one day when I have young, impressionable children, I don’t want you or anyone else te ...[text shortened]... not, will be forgotten to endless ebbs of meaningless eternity.
I personally prefer option B.[/b]
10 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm certainly one for big trailers -- and big tornadoes. 😏 Well... there is option C -- but I'd still take B.
How narcissistic of you! Can't you simply believe that you're a small part of the infinite Tao? Or do you need a starring role and one of the big trailers?
10 Jul 06
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Originally posted by HalitoseYes, constant refutation. Christianity may be consistent, maybe; but sound? No.
One would think that constant refutation of Christian claims would be enough, but that doesn’t seem to work on all you fundamentalist types.
Constant refutation? Here I was thinking Christianity to be a rationally consistent system. Silly me.
Put simply: one day when I have young, impressionable children, I don’t want you or anyone else tel not, will be forgotten to endless ebbs of meaningless eternity.
I personally prefer option B.
The rest of your post made me laugh. Thank you for lifting my spirits and taking my mind off the ever palpable absurdism -- my task of rolling my rock, time after time, over and over. 🙂
But seriously, it's sad how your beliefs stem not from rational warrant, but from your passionate confrontation with the absurd. :'( As before, I am trying to give you some help: as a means to eliminate such suffering (but not take refuge in supreme irrationality), try Dharma practice.
10 Jul 06
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Originally posted by HalitoseYour post above reminded me of a scene in Play It Again, Sam with Woody Allen talking to a women at an art gallery with a painting which consisted solely of a large black dot. It went something like this:
I'm certainly one for big trailers -- and big tornadoes. 😏 Well... there is option C -- but I'd still take B.
WA: What does it [the painting] say to you?
W: It's a representation of Man's bleak and pointless existence, wallowing in despair and ending in the awful black certainty of death.[her actual lines were longer and more morose]
WA: So, what are you doing Saturday night?
W: Committing suicide.
WA: Well, how about Friday night?
EDIT: The internet is a wonderful thing; here's the actual dialogue:
Allan: That's quite a lovely Jackson Pollack, isn't it?
Museum Girl: Yes, it is.
Allan: What does it say to you?
Museum Girl: It restates the negativeness of the universe. The hideous lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness. The predicament of Man forced to live in a barren, Godless eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void with nothing but waste, horror and degradation, forming a useless bleak straitjacket in a black absurd cosmos.
Allan: What are you doing Saturday night?
Museum Girl: Committing suicide.
Allan: What about Friday night?
10 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderHe heh. That's classic.
Your post above reminded me of a scene in Play It Again, Sam with Woody Allen talking to a women at an art gallery with a painting which consisted solely of a large black dot. It went something like this:
WA: What does it [the painting] say to you?
W: It's a representation of Man's bleak and pointless existence, wallowing in despair an ...[text shortened]... ou doing Saturday night?
Museum Girl: Committing suicide.
Allan: What about Friday night?
I like Allen's work. I can't figure out who wrote this review, but they correctly, IMO, call his latest movie Match Point a "Nietzschean Tragedy".
http://www.altfg.com/Reviews/matchpoint.htm
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Originally posted by HalitoseI don't see why contemplation of the human condition needs to be seen as such. A life can be given it's own meaning by the individual without necessarily subscribing to the ideas of Jesus of Nazareth in the sermon on the mount, or The Bhudda in the deerpark at Saranath.
So you would rather impress upon their naïve minds the existentialist despair and absurdity of life? When you do, try to emphasize the ultimate meaninglessness of trying to pick yourself up by your own bootstraps: that all men, whether great or small, weak or powerful, rich or poor, share the same fate as the universe eventually collapses on itself -- fe; where all deeds, profound or not, will be forgotten to endless ebbs of meaningless eternity.[/b]
What staring into the abyss should do, is to wake us up to the fact that unless we realize that this is our chance, it will have been pointless. All around us, even in the computers we are typing with, is imbued with the meaning of lives gone by, that discovered electricity, silicon chips, encoding, music and art and so on...cannot this be us in our time?
11 Jul 06
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Originally posted by LemonJelloYes, constant refutation. Christianity may be consistent, maybe; but sound? No.
Yes, constant refutation. Christianity may be consistent, maybe; but sound? No.
The rest of your post made me laugh. Thank you for lifting my spirits and taking my mind off the ever palpable absurdism -- my task of rolling my rock, time after time, over and over. 🙂
But seriously, it's sad how your beliefs stem not from rational warrant, but fro eliminate such suffering (but not take refuge in supreme irrationality), try Dharma practice.
Which part of it? The self-inflated pontification of fundies? The orthodox tenets?
The rest of your post made me laugh. Thank you for lifting my spirits and taking my mind off the ever palpable absurdism -- my task of rolling my rock, time after time, over and over. 🙂
Heh heh. 😀
But seriously, it's sad how your beliefs stem not from rational warrant, but from your passionate confrontation with the absurd.
I beg to differ. My passionate tiff with the absurd aside, I've found the historical claim (and the associated trilemma) of Jesus to be rationally compelling.
As before, I am trying to give you some help: as a means to eliminate such suffering (but not take refuge in supreme irrationality), try Dharma practice.
Thanks, but I don't think I can hoodwink myself into a denial of individuality and "the self".