11 Feb 12
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Originally posted by kevcvs57I don't believe anyone ever said God NEEDED to rest, it just said he did.
God does not need rest. Christ told the Pharisee that both He and His
Father are working still. The rest for 24 hours was an example to man
for the way he should take a rest after six days of work
So he did not take six days to complete creation. once thats established surely 'all bets are off' and we can leave it to the cosmologists to tell us how long he's going to take.
Kelly
11 Feb 12
Originally posted by cadwahExcellent link thanks.
If we go by the bible timings and it took God 7 days to make the earth, then exponentially it took much more than 6000 years to make all the rest of this stuff surely... ???
http://images.4channel.org/f/src/589217_scale_of_universe_enhanced.swf
Discuss...
11 Feb 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThis example, your own words:
What example thing are you referring to?
God does not need rest. Christ told the Pharisee that both He and His
Father are working still. The rest for 24 hours was an example to man
for the way he should take a rest after six days of work and to remember
that it only took Good six 24-hour days to create the heavens and the
Earth, so we would not fall for the theory of evolution in these last days
before Christ returns to set up His Kingdom on Earth.
An example to man that they should rest on the sabbath, that is what I am talking about. Did you get that from your bible?
11 Feb 12
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Originally posted by sonhouse(John chapter 5 New King's James Version)
This example, your own words:
God does not need rest. Christ told the Pharisee that both He and His
Father are working still. The rest for 24 hours was an example to man
for the way he should take a rest after six days of work and to remember
that it only took Good six 24-hour days to create the heavens and the
Earth, so we would not fall for th ...[text shortened]... y should rest on the sabbath, that is what I am talking about. Did you get that from your bible?
After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew,
Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of sick people,
blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went
down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever
stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever
disease he had. Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight
years. When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in
that condition a long time, He said to him, “Do you want to be made well?”
The sick man answered Him, “Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the
water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me.”
Jesus said to him, “Rise, take up your bed and walk.” And immediately the man
was made well, took up his bed, and walked.
And that day was the Sabbath. The Jews therefore said to him who was cured,
“It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed.”
He answered them, “He who made me well said to me, ‘Take up your bed and walk.’”
Then they asked him, “Who is the Man who said to you, ‘Take up your bed and
walk’?” But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had
withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the
temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a
worse thing come upon you.”
The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He
had done these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father
has been working until now, and I have been working.”
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke
the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with
God. Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the
Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He
does, the Son also does in like manner. For the Father loves the Son, and shows
Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than
these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to
them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one,
but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just
as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the
Father who sent Him.
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent
Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from
death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will
live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have
life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because
He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which
all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have
done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the
resurrection of condemnation. I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge;
and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of
the Father who sent Me.
“If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. There is another who
bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is
true. You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. Yet I do
not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved.
He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice
in his light. But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the
Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that
the Father has sent Me. And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of
Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. But you do
not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these
are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you
may have life.
“I do not receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the love
of God in you. I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if
another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who
receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the
only God? Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who
accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would
believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how
will you believe My words?”
13 Feb 12
Originally posted by RJHindsIf god need a rest or not, we can debate how long as we like, and we still not come to a conclusion.
God does not need rest. Christ told the Pharisee that both He and His
Father are working still. The rest for 24 hours was an example to man
for the way he should take a rest after six days of work and to remember
that it only took Good six 24-hour days to create the heavens and the
Earth, so we would not fall for the theory of evolution in these last d ...[text shortened]... to set up His Kingdom on Earth.
P.S. You couldn't calculate anything you don't understand.
Why?
The only source we have is a short passage from the first chapter of Genesis. From that creationists are extrapolating, not only making a hen of a feather, but a whole henhouse.
The source of Genesis is nothing more than some beduin stories made up to entertain children around the camp fires.
13 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayno, just scientific data that denies it. just numerous examples where the bible was wrong and/or psychotic. just common sense. just the fact that the bible is not meant to be an encyclopaedia but a moral book for the ancient era.
I believe in a 24 hour creation day, you have some scripture that suggests
that wasn't the case?
Kelly
13 Feb 12
Originally posted by moon1969To God a day is no different than a thousand years, to us a day is a day.
Fascinating link.
To your question, gor the idea of an omniscient entity, I would not think that terms like "exponentionally" are any kind of limitation. Though, I do see your point.
As an aside and not necessarily responsive to your question, isn't the idea behind the 6000 years, is that there is a basis that 1 day in Genesis is equal to 1000 years, and that God created everything in 6 days (i.e., 6000 years) and rested on day 7.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Kelly
13 Feb 12
Originally posted by ZahlanziWe are talking about what scripture means, I was asking for scripture to prove
no, just scientific data that denies it. just numerous examples where the bible was wrong and/or psychotic. just common sense. just the fact that the bible is not meant to be an encyclopaedia but a moral book for the ancient era.
the point being made about it. If there isn't scripture to back up the point we
are no longer attempting to gleen what scripture says.
Kelly
14 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayHere Peter did not mean that a creation day in Genesis is 1000 years.
To God a day is no different than a thousand years, to us a day is a day.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Kelly
He was not talking about creation days. Anyway we already know a
day that is made up of evening and morning or morning and evening
is a 24 hour day. Case closed. 😏
15 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayi am confused, you want to use scripture to figure out what scripture says? how is this going to help you understanding what god meant by "7" days?
We are talking about what scripture means, I was asking for scripture to prove
the point being made about it. If there isn't scripture to back up the point we
are no longer attempting to gleen what scripture says.
Kelly
care to make your point clear?