Originally posted by sonhouse
It's the main fallacy of religion that you have to constantly refer to some non-existent god to find meaning. Actually all you find is people making up verses to what they THINK is the mind of god. It's a projection of their own fears that leads to those pithy verses.
A real god would have as much need for adulation as an ant would need a tv.
It's the main fallacy of religion that you have to constantly refer to some non-existent god to find meaning. Actually all you find is people making up verses to what they THINK is the mind of god. It's a projection of their own fears that leads to those pithy verses.
Your criticism is not expansive enough to cover all issues that the Bible supplies.
It does not account for the fulfillment of prophecy. People "just making up verses" is not adaquate a rational to explain some of the fulfillment of prophecy.
A real god would have as much need for adulation as an ant would need a tv.
This criticism is a caricature. I have three problems with it at least:
1.) If a devious LIAR is working hard to delude and mislead people, the turning hard to the Author of truth, may appear to be "adulation" to you.
The strength of resolve to turn AWAY from the liar and to turn TO the truth may require such FOCUS and resolute determination of will, that it appears to you as "adulation".
Ie. An evil swimmer entices a child to go out with him into the deep water only with the purpose to see him drown. When life guard comes to rescue the child from the pernicious plot, the child may give such thanks and gratitude which appear to you to be "adulation".
On the contrary, the child realizing the seriousness of the deception he was entangled in may be just overwhelmed with relief and gratitude at the resuer.
2.) You assume that worship brings the worshipper low. But actually worship has the opposite effect on many - bring them higher.
This might be compared to kneeling on an elevator which is speeding upward. Apparently the worshipper is humbling himself. But by and large the worshipper is being uplifted, exalted, ascended.
3.) You assume this "adulation" testifies of the lack of worth of the adulator. The opposite may be true. The adulation encreases his sense of value and worth.
I may come to ChessAtWork ignorantly and say "Bobby Fisher. Whose he? That's probably some fish who couldn't play chess worth anything."
While such ignorance may give me a false sense of egoism it only appears as rank ignorance to those who know the subject.
But if I wrote "You know this Fisher fellow was really a chess playing grand master of extraordinary talent. I really could learn something from this master" this would simply the realism of due admiration. The object of praise is worth the comment.
Some of us are persuaded that God is
worth the praise. And it appears rather ignorant for some to be cavalier about that.
4.) Your criticism that God is egotistical to receive praise sounds curiously like jealousy.
We can praise God and love you also very much. In fact our praise of God informs also the high value of your human worth as one of God's creations. The bible says you're made in the image of God.
So when we look at you, in spite of your atheism, we still are reminded of God. Our praise of God for Who God is encreases our appreciation of the worth of yourself.
5.) Many people in the Bible who showed "adulation" towards God also showed encredible courage.
David, Daniel, Joshua, Moses, Hezekiah, Joseph, Samuel, Deborah, Ruth, Esther all were worshippers of God. And through faith they showed also great courage.
The Psalms of David, for example, have many praises to God. But as a boy he also slew a lion and a bear, let alone a professional killing machine named Galiath who probably made Andrea the Giant look like weakling.
And of course
Jesus Christ praised God Whom He claimed was His
Father. I think
Jesus Christ displays the highest level of human morality, truth, and courage as has ever occured in human history.
I think the nearest competitor is far off.
Christ occupies His own class of one man. Adulation of the Father was a major component of His life, even in the midst of torture and death.
6.) It seems to escape you that a Being could conceivably be
worthy of adulation and not be egotistical.
Maybe you look within yourself and are cynical that NO ONE deserves praise like that shown to God. Maybe you're wrong. Maybe you should just speak for yourself.
We love you but we PRAISE God. Why should I be seek to steal from another what is rightfully and deserved possession.
If I had to bear the responsibilities that Jesus bore I would be crushed. Since He can hold up such a heavy burden why shouldn't I grant Him the respect for that.
Even in a place of employment, someone else may be able to bear up under a load of responsibility which you could not bear up under. For you to complain jealously and pout that she doesn't deserve any more regard will appear petty and envious to others.
Don't dispise Jesus for the burden He is able to bear. You and I could not bear up under the weight of it. So my reaction of praise or adulation is quite realistic, I think.
7.) Proper praise of God is very strengthening in deep and hard trials -
"The JOY of the Lord is my strength".
I have come through many difficult and sore circumstances which were turned to be of BENEFIT to me because through them I praised God.
Praise of God is TRUST. It is the faith that HE has it all under control. It honors that real ultimate situation with God. And such trust expressed in thanksgiving and praise brings peace and causes man to rise above very difficult problems. God
honors the trust that is displayed in praising Him in all situations.
8.) Praise and adulation towards God is like getting in on a good thing early before everyone else.
I mean, I have no doubt that a world without tears, sorrow, sin, death is coming. I certainly will praise God in that paradise. So to praise God early is like getting a foretaste of the inevitable.
9.) Albert Einstien said that a man who could not look up at the universe of stars with a sense of wonder was as good as dead.
I look up at the infinity of space with wonder and praise my Maker. It makes me feel quite alive. There is to me no other person or being to direct my sense of wonderment and praise to.
I like Edwin Hubble. I appreciate Carl Sagan. I'm impressed with Stephen Hawking. I sit up and pay attention to Albert Einstien. But
GOD is reserved for my worship. God is the Holy Creator and King.