03 Aug 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI've seen A Clockwork Orange. A family member of mine has a credit for the music score in the movie. I am somewhat familiar with it but I still don't agree with the examples I cited as forcing "goodness" upon anyone. The examples I cited are good things for anybody to do and I think it has nothing to do with being Socialist. How does feeding some malnutritioned infant in Niger be a way of forcing Socialism on them? How does using my super powers to fly at light speed to stop a tidal wave from happening or to carry people to safety force Socialism?
Have you read A Clockwork Orange? The novel's thesis is that to force goodness upon a person renders that person inhuman.
What if Superman subjected everybody to the Ludovico Technique to make them conform to his socialist ideals, thereby eliminating the ills that you cite? Would that yield a better world? I agree with the author, whose finding is that it wouldn't.
But fair enough, let's assume you are right and Superman's heroics makes all of the world conform to Socialism. If that is the case then call me a Socialist and yes it would be far better world than the one we currently live in. I think you are making too far a leap to conclude that literally saving a person's life, giving them a place to live and a higher quality of life than they are currently experiencing is Socialism.
04 Aug 05
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of the government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by frogstompI may exhibit delusions of greatness, but every socialist exhibits delusions of ineptitude not only for himself but all of mankind, and his ideal is nothing more than the achievement of imposing mediocrity through force.
Delusions of grandeur never are very becoming, are they? lol
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYou would do well to be a socialist then.
I may exhibit delusions of greatness, but every socialist exhibits delusions of ineptitude not only for himself but all of mankind, and his ideal is nothing more than the achievement of imposing mediocrity through force.
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYou're so pathetic that you haven't even realized that I'm not left wing at all.
I may exhibit delusions of greatness, but every socialist exhibits delusions of ineptitude not only for himself but all of mankind, and his ideal is nothing more than the achievement of imposing mediocrity through force.
Will you continue with your 4th grade metaphors or will you retract your strawman?
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by PalynkaI just wish he would respond to mine or I wish he would create his own thread about why Socialism sucks because he seems hellbent on thinking that feeding poor people, giving them homes, and ending disease is some "commie" ideology.
You're so pathetic that you haven't even realized that I'm not left wing at all.
Will you continue with your 4th grade metaphors or will you retract your strawman?
04 Aug 05
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Originally posted by Joe FistI'm sorry if I've helped his hijacking of this thread, which I was following with some interest. I will not continue to do so.
I just wish he would respond to mine or I wish he would create his own thread about why Socialism sucks because he seems hellbent on thinking that feeding poor people, giving them homes, and ending disease is some "commie" ideology.
Edit: Helping the hijacking, I mean.
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesProbably because you never get out of your ivory tower.
I do not presume or find based on the evidence that people are too incompetent to tend to their own needs. You do.
There isn't exactly a state of nature where people don't need an income to survive, and until there is " Property is Theft".
04 Aug 05
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Originally posted by Joe FistMr. Fist, this is hardly my claim. My claim is that forcing people, via threat of imprisonment for not paying taxes, to feed, house and cure the poor is an unjust ideology.
he seems hellbent on thinking that feeding poor people, giving them homes, and ending disease is some "commie" ideology.
I myself have been known to help those less fortunate. But I have never embarassed myself by stooping to the level of forcing others to help them.