Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

(Genesis 1:9 NKJV)

If the waters are gathered together into one place, doesn't that imply that the land is also in one place. What am I missing here that allows for the land to already be divided into continents?
...[text shortened]... the volcanic eruptions that probably took place both above and under water?

The Instructor[/b]

Rock flowing that fast is called magma - the entire crust would melt.

The Genesis quote means the oceans have to be connected (which they are) not the land masses. Psalms is poetry for pity's sake. Do you think Shakespeare is literally true?

Do you really insist on the literal truth of the Bible? All the way though? Including the parables - do you actually think the sower from the parable was a real person or do you think Jesus was telling a moral tale to make a point?

I can point out a few contradictions if you want to take Genesis really literally. For example after 150 odd days of a physically impossible quantity of water covering the world (*) which would have killed all land species stone dead - a dove from the ark found an olive branch. How did the olive tree survive the flood?

(*) no there is nowhere it could go - you need magic to fix this - it is simply too much water to still be on the planet. By several orders of magnitude - this is a layer of water 8km thick covering the entire planet - it won't work.

Edit - reorganised and the top paragraph added.
Edit 2 - in my earlier post I made a typo - 200cm/hour should be 200mm/hour, but we are talking about a continent here.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Rock flowing that fast is called magma - the entire crust would melt.

The Genesis quote means the oceans have to be connected (which they are) not the land masses. Psalms is poetry for pity's sake. Do you think Shakespeare is literally true?

Do you really insist on the literal truth of the Bible? All the way though? Including the parables - do yo ...[text shortened]... st I made a typo - 200cm/hour should be 200mm/hour, but we are talking about a continent here.

The water covering the earth isn't an issue, it could have been at that time
that the sea floor spread a great deal allowing water to cover the land. It
wasn't like anyone was going to be bothered about the land moving about
when the water was everywhere.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The water covering the earth isn't an issue, it could have been at that time
that the sea floor spread a great deal allowing water to cover the land. It
wasn't like anyone was going to be bothered about the land moving about
when the water was everywhere.
Kelly

the sea floor spread? what does that mean?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the sea floor spread? what does that mean?

It means during that storm that the earth and the sky were both going off
on the planet. Water was about to cover the planet, I believe the planet
changed during this time as well.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
It means during that storm that the earth and the sky were both going off
on the planet. Water was about to cover the planet, I believe the planet
changed during this time as well.
Kelly

im finding this description even harder to understand. the earth and the sky were both going off on the planet???? are you saying the force of the storm is blowing chunks of debris from the ground out into space?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the sea floor spread? what does that mean?

Did you read the original post in this thread by sunhouse?

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Did you read the original post in this thread by sunhouse?

The Instructor

i did, sonhouses description of the spread wouldnt cause a world wide flood, kelly's does. so i was asking him what he meant by spreading as its clearly different to sonhouses.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i did, sonhouses description of the spread wouldnt cause a world wide flood, kelly's does. so i was asking him what he meant by spreading as its clearly different to sonhouses.

Kelly did not say anything about it CAUSING a worldwide flood. I think he was considering the possibility of earthquakes on the ocean floors spreading them out to help explain what I had quoted earlier. I repeat:

The waters were standing above the mountains.
At Your rebuke they fled,
At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away.
The mountains rose; the valleys sank down
To the place which You established for them.
You set a boundary that they may not pass over,
So that they will not return to cover the earth.

(Psalm 104:6-9 NASB)

This must refer to the worldwide flood of Noah's day and it says the mountains rose higher than they were before and the valleys sank allowing the waters to find a place that they (the waters) would no longer be able to cover the whole earth again.

Maybe this was when the so-called continental drift began or maybe it started with a continental sprint, since the mountains rose higher. Have you considered the volcanic eruptions that probably took place both above and under water?

He could also be referring to the following verse and suggesting there was a change in the earth by eathquakes and volcanic eruptions that accounted for the waters bursting forth from the underground springs:

In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

(Genesis 7:11 NKJV)

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Kelly did not say anything about it [b]CAUSING a worldwide flood. I think he was considering the possibility of earthquakes on the ocean floors spreading them out to help explain what I had quoted earlier. I repeat:

The waters were standing above the mountains.
At Your rebuke they fled,
At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away.
The mou ...[text shortened]... broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

(Genesis 7:11 NKJV)

The Instructor[/b]

do you thing god stored all this water knowing that he would need it later to kill everybody? or was it just a happy coincidence?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
do you thing god stored all this water knowing that he would need it later to kill everybody? or was it just a happy coincidence?

I beleive God has the wisdom to plan for all possible occurrences.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
I beleive God has the wisdom to plan for all possible occurrences.

The Instructor

why plan for all if you know which occurrence will happen. are you suggesting god is not all knowing?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
im finding this description even harder to understand. the earth and the sky were both going off on the planet???? are you saying the force of the storm is blowing chunks of debris from the ground out into space?

At the beginning of time in scripture the earth was covered with water, you
change the land mass shape the water can be completely over it. The water
came from under and over during the flood, if you also add the fact that
land is moving too, it seems very easy to see how it could happen, not to
difficult at all, nothing has to move into space, flatten it out the water is on
top, what is hard about that?
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
why plan for all if you know which occurrence will happen. are you suggesting god is not all knowing?

I believe God is all knowing in the sense that He knows all that He needs to know. I believe God gives us privacy to think as we please and is not constantly searching our minds to invade that private place. That does not mean God does not have the power to read minds either. God makes choices just like we do. However, God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

The Instructor

Originally posted by KellyJay
At the beginning of time in scripture the earth was covered with water, you
change the land mass shape the water can be completely over it. The water
came from under and over during the flood, if you also add the fact that
land is moving too, it seems very easy to see how it could happen, not to
difficult at all, nothing has to move into space, flatten it out the water is on
top, what is hard about that?
Kelly

so water is pushed up from beneath the earth. what is the process? what is causing the pressure? and vast volumes of water starts to fall, why? what is the process? magic?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe God is all knowing in the sense that He knows all that He needs to know. I believe God gives us privacy to think as we please and is not constantly searching our minds to invade that private place. That does not mean God does not have the power to read minds either. God makes choices just like we do. However, God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

The Instructor

how does god know only what he needs to know? without knowing the things he doesnt need to know?