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As Ephesians 2:8–9 says, "For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. It is not from yourself or anything you've done, but the gift of God." Salvation, therefore, is a free gift of grace from God.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieworks are the outward sign of our inward salvation. If I was a whoremonger yet I preached the word door to door I could not be saved.
why don't you get yourself a decent translation Deucer dude, grace is so like 16th century.
(Ephesians 2:8-9) . . .By this undeserved kindness, indeed, you have been saved through faith; and this not owing to you, it is God’s gift. No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting. . .
naturally we also have th ...[text shortened]... er way? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
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Originally posted by duecerworks are the outward sign of our inward salvation ?
works are the outward sign of our inward salvation. If I was a whoremonger yet I preached the word door to door I could not be saved.
edit: I like the word Grace, its elegant
Originally posted by robbie carrobieit is the change we experience when embracing our savior.
works are the outward sign of our inward salvation ?
that sounds like a mystical statement of the type that Jaywill may make. inward salvation? what is that?
Originally posted by duecerthe change we experience when embracing our saviour? mmm, that kind of sounds like the mingling of Gods spirit (Jesus), (which i have shown is erroneous, but for the sake of argument we shall allow it), and mans spirit, which our friend Jaywill is so fond of quoting.
it is the change we experience when embracing our savior.
are you seriously suggesting that someone can do good works and cancel out all the bad stuff they do? what if someone doesn't believe, yet for kicks they go to door teaching people? will they be saved. no I think not. Salvation is based on faith. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only beg ...[text shortened]... son that whosever [b] believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16[/b]
Originally posted by duecerYou are claiming that whoremongering is not a sin compatible with being saved.
works are the outward sign of our inward salvation. If I was a whoremonger yet I preached the word door to door I could not be saved.
edit: I like the word Grace, its elegant
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyou say tomayto I say tomato
the change we experience when embracing our saviour? mmm, that kind of sounds like the mingling of Gods spirit (Jesus), (which i have shown is erroneous, but for the sake of argument we shall allow it), and mans spirit, which our friend Jaywill is so fond of quoting.
we profess something similar although the details I think are much better define ...[text shortened]... eaching from house to house or whatever, does not in any manner or form justify a sinful course.
Originally posted by KellyJayand that is why i have asked for an explanation, for it seems to me, that the language may indeed cloak the actual meaning, for as you are aware, words are cumbersome entities for explaining the essence of an idea. As it is, I think that my understanding is firmly rooted in scripture and not on some type of esoteric personal experience.
If you do not understand that, I doubt you'll grasp it at all.
Kelly
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou do get no doubt that once saved you'll end up doing works, the
and that is why i have asked for an explanation, for it seems to me, that the language may indeed cloak the actual meaning, for as you are aware, words are cumbersome entities for explaining the essence of an idea. As it is, I think that my understanding is firmly rooted in scripture and not on some type of esoteric personal experience.