24 Dec 10
Do the Christians on this forum mind the secular barrage on crap that takes the place of any religious or spiritual aspect of Christmas ? I'm not Christian, and it bugs me to death. If I see one more snowman or a Santa Claus made from plastic lit up in someones front yard it will be too soon. How has this Sacred Holiday gone to the commercial dogs ? I'm going to start spending Christmas in India from now on. Maybe it won't be so overbaked in the phoney Christmas trinkets. Give me a good Hindhu holiday anytime.
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by buckkyThe question should be extended towards the pagans with an emphasis on the solstice.
Do the Christians on this forum mind the secular barrage on crap that takes the place of any religious or spiritual aspect of Christmas ? I'm not Christian, and it bugs me to death. If I see one more snowman or a Santa Claus made from plastic lit up in someones front yard it will be too soon. How has this Sacred Holiday gone to the commercial dogs ? I'm going ...[text shortened]... on't be so overbaked in the phoney Christmas trinkets. Give me a good Hindhu holiday anytime.
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by buckkyWe typically put something between God and man, it is our nature to avoid Him due
Do the Christians on this forum mind the secular barrage on crap that takes the place of any religious or spiritual aspect of Christmas ? I'm not Christian, and it bugs me to death. If I see one more snowman or a Santa Claus made from plastic lit up in someones front yard it will be too soon. How has this Sacred Holiday gone to the commercial dogs ? I'm going ...[text shortened]... on't be so overbaked in the phoney Christmas trinkets. Give me a good Hindhu holiday anytime.
to the sin in our lives.
Kelly
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by buckkyIt seems to me just watching TV commercials and movies and displays in stores, etc, etc, that Mr Claus is the star of Christmas and not who this is supposedly about which they say is Jesus birth, which by all accounts has absolutely nothing to do with this holiday anyway.
Do the Christians on this forum mind the secular barrage on crap that takes the place of any religious or spiritual aspect of Christmas ? I'm not Christian, and it bugs me to death. If I see one more snowman or a Santa Claus made from plastic lit up in someones front yard it will be too soon. How has this Sacred Holiday gone to the commercial dogs ? I'm going ...[text shortened]... on't be so overbaked in the phoney Christmas trinkets. Give me a good Hindhu holiday anytime.
24 Dec 10
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Originally posted by buckky"The manger without the cross makes no sense..."
Do the Christians on this forum mind the secular barrage on crap that takes the place of any religious or spiritual aspect of Christmas ? I'm not Christian, and it bugs me to death. If I see one more snowman or a Santa Claus made from plastic lit up in someones front yard it will be too soon. How has this Sacred Holiday gone to the commercial dogs ? I'm going ...[text shortened]... on't be so overbaked in the phoney Christmas trinkets. Give me a good Hindhu holiday anytime.
This is a phrase my pastor says we can all use to witness at Christmas. I think it will be usefull so I'll share it with you.
It means that even though we are celebrating Jesus birth this season, the reason He came is to die. He never told us to remind His birth, but His death.
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by RBHILLThere is actually no record at all that Jesus or his parents ever celibrating his birthday. In fact the only two mentions of birthdays in the Bible were both by pagans and on both occasions two murders were committed.
"The manger without the cross makes no sense..."
This is a phrase my pastor says we can all use to witness at Christmas. I think it will be usefull so I'll share it with you.
It means that even though we are celebrating Jesus birth this season, the reason He came is to die. He never told us to remind His birth, but His death.
From the Insight book. Vol 1:
"The Bible makes direct reference to only two birthday celebrations, those of Pharaoh of Egypt (18th century B.C.E.) and Herod Antipas (1st century C.E.). These two accounts are similar in that both occasions were marked with great feasting and granting of favors; both are remembered for executions, the hanging of Pharaoh’s chief baker in the first instance, the beheading of John the Baptizer in the latter.—Ge 40:18-22; 41:13; Mt 14:6-11; Mr 6:21-28."
24 Dec 10
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Originally posted by ua41yes for clearly Santa is a pagan, whose origin pre dates Christianity, the Norse God of the hearth etc, which is why it is still believed by children that he comes down the chimney! Of course one can trace almost every element, from mistletoe to decorating an evergreen tree to pre Christian times! The way the pagans, err, i mean christians (with a small c) get around this is to state that it means something entirely different now and its a time for family and expressing peace and good will, well ok, but please don't try to state that its a Christian festival.
The question should be extended towards the pagans with an emphasis on the solstice.
24 Dec 10
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Originally posted by galveston75The only record would be of the wise men, bringing the gifts.
There is actually no record at all that Jesus or his parents ever celibrating his birthday. In fact the only two mentions of birthdays in the Bible were both by pagans and on both occasions two murders were committed.
From the Insight book. Vol 1:
"The Bible makes direct reference to only two birthday celebrations, those of Pharaoh of Egypt (18th c ...[text shortened]... the beheading of John the Baptizer in the latter.—Ge 40:18-22; 41:13; Mt 14:6-11; Mr 6:21-28."
You forgot about Job's sons celebrated their birthdays.
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by RBHILLWhat a shame that the Christian religion is founded on the sacrificial death of Jesus to appease an angry God. This is the essence of why I can't get a grip on anything about the Christian message. It has no charm or rational thought behind it. Only the image of a petty God that gets very angry, and sends everyone to Hell because of what Adam and Eve did. Then out of His so called kindness, He sends His Son to die as a Blood sacrafice so a the ones who bought into this nightmare could go the Heaven. Absolutely ugly is what it is. Nothing Good here.
"The manger without the cross makes no sense..."
This is a phrase my pastor says we can all use to witness at Christmas. I think it will be usefull so I'll share it with you.
It means that even though we are celebrating Jesus birth this season, the reason He came is to die. He never told us to remind His birth, but His death.
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by buckkydoes he not make the sun shine on both the righteous and the unrighteous, to make rain fall so that we can have seasons of rejoicing?
What a shame that the Christian religion is founded on the sacrificial death of Jesus to appease an angry God. This is the essence of why I can't get a grip on anything about the Christian message. It has no charm or rational thought behind it. Only the image of a petty God that gets very angry, and sends everyone to Hell because of what Adam and Eve did. The ...[text shortened]... ught into this nightmare could go the Heaven. Absolutely ugly is what it is. Nothing Good here.
24 Dec 10
Originally posted by buckkyIsn't just Santa Jesus in red? That Santa symbolizes Jesus in person? Without Jesus no Santa?
What a shame that the Christian religion is founded on the sacrificial death of Jesus to appease an angry God. This is the essence of why I can't get a grip on anything about the Christian message. It has no charm or rational thought behind it. Only the image of a petty God that gets very angry, and sends everyone to Hell because of what Adam and Eve did. The ...[text shortened]... ught into this nightmare could go the Heaven. Absolutely ugly is what it is. Nothing Good here.