Rajk999 - Jesus said we must believe

Originally posted by Rajk999
Yes Jesus said to believe, and Jesus specified what belief entailed, and it has nothing to do with what you stated here

[i]You believe that Jesus died for your sins on the cross
and that you receive forgiveness through His death on the cross.
You trust Him that He will work in you
to enable you to do His will
and that he will change you to be more ...[text shortened]... hen say so.
So far you are stalling because what you have done is tell me your church doctrine.

These are a few that come to mind:

Jesus said we should believe in Him as the scriptures have said. John 7:37. The scriptures said for example in Isaiah that he would pay for our sins.

John the baptist said of Jesus behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

Romans 3:21-26

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."

2 Corinthians 5:15, 17-18

"And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.T
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin[b] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

Also read Ephesian 1 and 2

Originally posted by dj2becker
These are a few that come to mind:

Jesus said we should believe in Him as the scriptures have said. John 7:37. The scriptures said for example in Isaiah that he would pay for our sins.

John the baptist said of Jesus behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

Romans 3:21-26

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God ...[text shortened]... for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

Also read Ephesian 1 and 2

LAME.

Originally posted by Rajk999
LAME.

You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.

Originally posted by dj2becker
These are a few that come to mind:

Jesus said we should believe in Him as the scriptures have said. John 7:37. The scriptures said for example in Isaiah that he would pay for our sins.

John the baptist said of Jesus behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

Romans 3:21-26

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God ...[text shortened]... for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

Also read Ephesian 1 and 2

This is a fascinating response to the following:

Yes Jesus said to believe, and Jesus specified what belief entailed, and it has nothing to do with what you stated here

You believe that Jesus died for your sins on the cross
and that you receive forgiveness through His death on the cross.
You trust Him that He will work in you
to enable you to do His will
and that he will change you to be more and more like Him.

So you need to show where Jesus said that first.

The only reference you made to the words of Jesus don't speak at all to what "belief" entails.

Does your response really make sense to you?

Originally posted by dj2becker
You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.

You cannot produce any support for your doctrine. Sonship tried to help you but he failed as well.

Say what the bible says about what belief is required instead of making up stuff

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
This is a fascinating response to the following:
[quote]Yes Jesus said to believe, and Jesus specified what belief entailed, and it has nothing to do with what you stated here

You believe that Jesus died for your sins on the cross
and that you receive forgiveness through His death on the cross.
You trust Him that He will work in you
to enable y ...[text shortened]... us don't speak at all to what "belief" entails.

Does your response really make sense to you?

These words were spoken by Jesus: For God so loved the word that he sent his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. What do these words mean to you?

Originally posted by Rajk999
You cannot produce any support for your doctrine. Sonship tried to help you but he failed as well.

Say what the bible says about what belief is required instead of making up stuff

So in your mind everything I quoted told you that you can be saved by your own good works and by keeping the law ? 🙄

You are beyond blind. Or maybe you are just acting.

Originally posted by dj2becker
These words were spoken by Jesus: For God so loved the word that he sent his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. What do these words mean to you?

Jesus said you have to believe. But Jesus himself clarified what belief entails.
So did Paul. but you rather quote something else, about what you think belief is about.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus said you have to believe. But Jesus himself clarified what belief entails.
So did Paul. but you rather quote something else, about what you think belief is about.

FMJ is like a child that is in the wrong, but believes that as long as he keeps talking, no matter how nonsensical, he's proving his point.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus said you have to believe. But Jesus himself clarified what belief entails.
So did Paul. but you rather quote something else, about what you think belief is about.

Jesus said we have to believe, you said we don't. So you were wrong.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
FMJ is like a child that is in the wrong, but believes that as long as he keeps talking, no matter how nonsensical, he's proving his point.

Says the guy who can't answer a single question and keeps on quoting stuff he doesn't believe in.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Jesus said we have to believe, you said we don't. So you were wrong.

Are you able to separate the message from the messenger?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Are you able to separate the message from the messenger?

I understand that atheists don't believe in Jesus, do you disagree?

Originally posted by dj2becker
You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.

You can if you run it through the desert for a hour beforehand.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus said you have to believe. But Jesus himself clarified what belief entails.
So did Paul. but you rather quote something else, about what you think belief is about.

And according to you that clarification is we don't have to believe?