Quoting the following from the NYTimes:
Although Benedict’s predecessor, John Paul II, issued several apologies for the historical failings of the church, experts said it appeared to be the first time in recent memory that a pope had made such a direct statement of personal regret. “This is really, really abnormal,” said Alberto Melloni, professor of history at the University of Modena who has written several books on the Vatican. “It’s never happened as far as I know.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/18/world/europe/18pope.html
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While I certainly applaud the Pope for his apology for his comments --
comments I feel were merely poorly considered, not insidious -- does
it strike anyone, Roman Catholics in particular, that apologies are at
the very best rare, and at worst non-existent?
I mean, a figure like the Pope is going to be under a great deal of
public scrutiny, which means his speeches and actions are going to be
under a microscope. Given that he is a man and prone to error, just
like all of the rest of the human race, don't you think that apologies
would be more common? And, unlike political positions like, say, the
idiotic American president, apologies for wrongs committed are part
and parcel of Christian faith. I would think that they ought to be
rather common, no?
Nemesio
Edit: That is, I don't expect the Pope to be apologetic on controversial
issues upon which he has taken a dogmatic stance like abortion or
contraception. However, I would think it would be a demonstration of
Christ-likeness for a religious figurehead to apologize on behalf of
his own actions as well as on behalf of the Church.
What possible explanation can there be for the absence of person
apology in 'recent history' or 'ever?'
Originally posted by NemesioLike maybe sorry about the "no condom" thing?
Quoting the following from the NYTimes:
Although Benedict’s predecessor, John Paul II, issued several apologies for the historical failings of the church, experts said it appeared to be [b]the first time in recent memory that a pope had made such a direct statement of personal regret. “This is really, really abnormal,” said Alberto Melloni, professor ...[text shortened]... rcel of Christian faith. I would think that they ought to be
rather common, no?
Nemesio[/b]
Originally posted by Nemesio"I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address which were considered offensive.’’
Quoting the following from the NYTimes:
Although Benedict’s predecessor, John Paul II, issued several apologies for the historical failings of the church, experts said it appeared to be [b]the first time in recent memory that a pope had made such a direct statement of personal regret. “This is really, really abnormal,” said Alberto Melloni, professor xplanation can there be for the absence of person
apology in 'recent history' or 'ever?'[/b]
I don't see the old man as apologizing at all. I do see him tweaking the insane terrorist fringe of the Islam world. For all intents and purposes, change a couple of pronouns, and any one of us could have made the same statement.
Originally posted by NemesioHe apologized because he probably felt that in the current climate of Muslim fanaticism where a cartoon is grounds for a war he needed to do some damage control.
Quoting the following from the NYTimes:
[i]Although Benedict’s predecessor, John Paul II, issued several apologies for the historical failings of the church, experts said it appeared to be [b]the first time in recent memory that a pope had made such a direct statement of personal regret. “This is really, really abnormal,” said Alberto Melloni, professor ...[text shortened]... xplanation can there be for the absence of person
apology in 'recent history' or 'ever?'[/b]
As I understand it, he was quoting someone who said religion cannot be spread by the sword and that was taken as an insult to Islam. I just wish he had said something like, "Hey, you don't like what I said fine. Welcome to the damn human race. It happens to all of us. You'll get over it."
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThat's true. It's a "I'm sorry you guys are such crybabies" apology. I'm no fan of the Pope, but if he's sticking it to extremist fundy muslims then more power to him.
"I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address which were considered offensive.’’
I don't see the old man as apologizing at all. I do see him tweaking the insane terrorist fringe of the Islam world. For all intents and purposes, change a couple of pronouns, and any one of us could have made the same statement.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThat's a non-apology; any married man would be familiar with the format which is identical to "I'm sorry that YOU got so upset because I went to the Yankee game on our anniversary".
"I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address which were considered offensive.’’
I don't see the old man as apologizing at all. I do see him tweaking the insane terrorist fringe of the Islam world. For all intents and purposes, change a couple of pronouns, and any one of us could have made the same statement.
The giveaway is "which were considered offensive.’’ No actual admission that the remarks were offensive.
Originally posted by kirksey957The exact quote that has been cited as offensive was this: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman,".
He apologized because he probably felt that in the current climate of Muslim fanaticism where a cartoon is grounds for a war he needed to do some damage control.
As I understand it, he was quoting someone who said religion cannot be spread by the sword and that was taken as an insult to Islam. I just wish he had said something like, "Hey, you don't ...[text shortened]... said fine. Welcome to the damn human race. It happens to all of us. You'll get over it."
Hard to see how that wouldn't be considered offensive by any Muslim.
Originally posted by no1marauderIt's the 'come-give-us-a-hug' that ends with a crushing of the agrieved's ribs.
That's a non-apology; any married man would be familiar with the format which is identical to "I'm sorry that YOU got so upset because I went to the Yankee game on our anniversary".
The giveaway is "which were considered offensive.’’ No actual admission that the remarks were offensive.
Originally posted by no1marauderYea, they say the same thing about everybody else and we tend to go with life.
The exact quote that has been cited as offensive was this: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman,".
Hard to see how that wouldn't be considered offensive by any Muslim.
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Originally posted by NemesioI don't believe the Pope needed to apologise for his comments. If these prominent Muslims had read his speech they would realise that the Pope was discussing faith and reason which turned into Christian faith and Greek inquiry. The only criticism he made of Islam was that their image of God was one that was totally transcendant and beyond human reason. Hardly the cause for war.
Quoting the following from the NYTimes:
Although Benedict’s predecessor, John Paul II, issued several apologies for the historical failings of the church, experts said it appeared to be [b]the first time in recent memory that a pope had made such a direct statement of personal regret. “This is really, really abnormal,” said Alberto Melloni, professor ...[text shortened]... lanation can there be for the absence of person
apology in 'recent history' or 'ever?'[/b]
If something awful happens to the Pope as a result of this controversy it would be a loss to Muslims as well as Christians. The Pope probably knows more about Islamic scholarship than most Muslims.