Originally posted by @eladar
Not the Jesus you believe in. You believe in a false Jesus.

What leads you to believe that I care if you agree with me or not. I have no desire to get you to believe the truth.

No desire to get me to believe the truth?

If you knew the truth you would.

Originally posted by @secondson
No desire to get me to believe the truth?

If you knew the truth you would.

Yet another lie lol.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Nothing we do (see Ecclesiastes), given enough time, will be remembered by any of us.
The praises you are citing give glory to God.

edit: en passant discovered double checkmate

Illegal move.

Our history and God's history are inextricably entwined. Remembering, for example, Jesus on the cross would be meaningless if the social context of his crucifixion were forgotten.


Checkmate.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Illegal move.

Our history and God's history are inextricably entwined. Remembering, for example, Jesus on the cross would be meaningless if the social context of his crucifixion were forgotten.


Checkmate.

Actually not true, the salvation wasn't from us, or due to us, but due to God who sent Jesus
to us, Jesus who came to do the Father's will, and the Holy Spirit being given to us in this
world and lifetime so we can know God. This isn't due to social context, but God inspired
therefore not dependent upon man for squat. You overlooked a move, it wasn't mate.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Actually not true, the salvation wasn't from us, or due to us, but due to God who sent Jesus
to us, Jesus who came to do the Father's will, and the Holy Spirit being given to us in this
world and lifetime so we can know God. This isn't due to social context, but God inspired
therefore not dependent upon man for squat. You overlooked a move, it wasn't mate.

I think you misread the board sir. (We'll call your move impulsive).

No one was saying salvation was dependent upon us. We were discussing 'memory' in heaven. Do you not think it important that if, in heaven, (as Revelation purports) we remember the Lamb through song, that we also remember what the Lamb did and the people he interacted with and changed? If all Earthly memory was wiped in heaven Gods work would be similarly wiped and wouldn't feature in our songs.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I think you misread the board sir. (We'll call your move impulsive).

No one was saying salvation was dependent upon us. We were discussing 'memory' in heaven. Do you not think it important that if, in heaven, (as Revelation purports) we remember the Lamb through song, that we also remember what the Lamb did and the people he interacted with and c ...[text shortened]... memory was wiped in heaven Gods work would be similarly wiped and wouldn't feature in our songs.

I see, sorry, the reason for the conversation was on the page before you are right.
I have no doubt that all the things that cause grief are going to be wiped away, but I don't
think the cross is a cause of grief, instead one of the greatest joys we have. How that will
work out no idea, even music in an eternal kingdom escapes me, since keeping time is
keeping time, can you do that in a timeless Kingdom. 🙂

Originally posted by @kellyjay
I see, sorry, the reason for the conversation was on the page before you are right.
I have no doubt that all the things that cause grief are going to be wiped away, but I don't
think the cross is a cause of grief, instead one of the greatest joys we have. How that will
work out no idea, even music in an eternal kingdom escapes me, since keeping time is
keeping time, can you do that in a timeless Kingdom. 🙂

I think Tom lost this argument in a dramatic fashion. (Children will sing songs about it).

In a heaven where only the actions of God are remembered, people will (in Tom's vision) sing songs about the crucifixion but have no memory of why the crucifixion was necessary or what came before it.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I think Tom lost this argument in a dramatic fashion. (Children will sing songs about it).

In a heaven where only the actions of God are remembered, people will (in Tom's vision) sing songs about the crucifixion but have no memory of why the crucifixion was necessary or what came before it.

[raises fist]

I'll get you, GoaD! If it's the last thing I do!! 😠

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I think Tom lost this argument in a dramatic fashion. (Children will sing songs about it).

In a heaven where only the actions of God are remembered, people will (in Tom's vision) sing songs about the crucifixion but have no memory of why the crucifixion was necessary or what came before it.

Who is going to want to remember children being torn to pieces, starved to death, beaten,
and all the other wicked things done in this place?

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
[raises fist]

I'll get you, GoaD! If it's the last thing I do!! 😠

Many have tried sir...

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Who is going to want to remember children being torn to pieces, starved to death, beaten,
and all the other wicked things done in this place?

Sure, but who wouldn't want to remember their parents, their wedding day, the time they sat on a white sanded beach, warmed by the sun, perfectly happy and content?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Who is going to want to remember children being torn to pieces, starved to death, beaten,
and all the other wicked things done in this place?

In the bible when people enter the presence of God, they become powerless and fall to their knees. NDEs are usually described as being in the presence of light and being overcome by a total sense of peace. It's hard to believe that in heaven, in the constant presence of the glory of God, we will have the want--or even the ability--to remember much of anything about our petty triumphs, sufferings and shortcomings during the fleeting experience we had as physical beings on Earth. On an infinite timeline, our experience on Earth would be relatively and infinitesimally small.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
In the bible when people enter the presence of God, they become powerless and fall to their knees. NDEs are usually described as being in the presence of light and being overcome by a total sense of peace. It's hard to believe that in heaven, in the constant presence of the glory of God, we will have the want--or even the ability--to remember much of a ...[text shortened]... On an infinite timeline, our experience on Earth would be relatively and infinitesimally small.

I agree

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Sure, but who wouldn't want to remember their parents, their wedding day, the time they sat on a white sanded beach, warmed by the sun, perfectly happy and content?

What I will say is, I believe the joy set before us, will dwarf this life in its entirety.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
What I will say is, I believe the joy set before us, will dwarf this life in its entirety.

It warms my heart sir to hear there will be dwarfs in eternity.


Edit: I may have misread your post.