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Originally posted by KellyJay
Than what you are saying is that even if there are good and bad
choices you don't want to lay a label on someone as good or bad,
because you don't want to lay a label on anyone, no matter the
body of works, or the choices they have made in their lives?
Kelly

ps.
This does mean that there is such a thing as good and bad.

Yes. Good and bad choices are possible, but I think they're subject to
the situation at hand, and so I don't want to label anyone unless I know
him/her very, very well. And then I often find that I can't say whether
their good or bad, because sometimes they make... well, you catch my
drift.

Still, just because I happen to think this or that is a good idea and some
other things are bad doesn't make it so. To another person the priorities
may be different. So, I'm not sure there's really a universal good and
bad. I won't say if there is or isn't because I simply don't know.

But I think we've drifted far enough from the subject at hand. I'll give
you the last word and then I'll keep my mouth shut on this (in this
thread). 🙂

Originally posted by stocken
Yes. Good and bad choices are possible, but I think they're subject to
the situation at hand, and so I don't want to label anyone unless I know
him/her very, very well. And then I often find that I can't say whether
their good or bad, because sometimes they make... well, you catch my
drift.

Still, just because I happen to think this or that is a g ...[text shortened]...
you the last word and then I'll keep my mouth shut on this (in this
thread). 🙂

Yes situations can play a hand, and still people can make good or
bad choices. I'd even take it one step beyond situations too, in
addition to what you brought up I'd throw in intent as well; you
can do what we would all call good deeds for bad reasons, with
bad intent as well, which would soil those good deeds because of
the intent and reality behind why those deeds were done.

The bottom line in this is that we as a people may not always know
all the reasons, we may not know why another may make one
choice over another. That does not mean that the choices are not
made good or bad, with intent good or bad, in all situations; it only
means that we don’t know why. That does not limit the reality of
why choices were made, the truth behind them is always real, just
not always apparent to us.

Now does having a higher power changes any of the above when
it comes down to intent, or situations? I’d say no as far as all the
ends and outs are concern, what it may change is the ‘knowing’ of
all the ins and outs for each of our choices. We can talk about God
setting rules, or a higher power setting rules, but as far as intent
and all the various rational behind choices are concern, one thing
that scripture teaches is that everything will be made clear, nothing
hidden will not be brought out into the light, we will know. With
that knowledge, do you think good and evil will be something that
will become plain for all to see?

I know you'd said you are going to leave this discussion, if I can
get you to respond to this, I'll stop and give you the last word.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes situations can play a hand, and still people can make good or
bad choices. I'd even take it one step beyond situations too, in
addition to what you brought up I'd throw in intent as well; you
can do what we would all call good deeds for bad reasons, with
bad intent as well, which would soil those good deeds because of
the intent and reality behind ...[text shortened]... scussion, if I can
get you to respond to this, I'll stop and give you the last word.
Kelly

We can all change in the course of a lifetime. Most people do. Some of
us have life altering experiences that changes how they see things
completely. So, even if one day we can know all the personal motives
and intentions, we won't be able to tell if the person is good or bad as he
will most likely have done a little of both. I mean, think about it. How
would you measure such a thing about a person. Is it measured in
severity? Murder being a 10, stealing being 8 making a total of 18 bad.
And Helping old ladies being 10, be there for relatives in need being 7
makes a total of 17. Sorry, this person is a bad person. It has been
determined by mathematics too, so it's scientific even. 😛

I don't believe in labelling people since that tends to hide a greater truth
that is definitely relevant when passing a judgement (if you must do
that). "Oh, so she dressed like a ****. No wonder she got raped then. I
bet she wasn't even raped. You know what women like that is like, don't
you?" That's the kind of crazy reasoning that comes from generalising
the way you do when you label a person as being this or that.