Luke 9:59-62 (King James Version)
59And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
60Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
John 14:6 (King James Version)
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHowever,
[b]Minority Point of View
At birth, physically alive and spiritually dead. Second birth remains
optional. Our eventual physical death is inevitable. Your view?[/b]
one is not -spiritually dead-, being they at birth are brought into sin, yes, BUT, have -not- done sin. The moment one learns sin (ignorance) is the moment they tamper with their true being ( spirituality, HIS image and likeness, as Christ even said in John 3:3 - KJ orig.
3"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ).
This born again is conforming to the spirit and leaving those things behind of the worldly.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAt birth, physically alive ,spiritually alive. If we were spiritually dead then we would not be physically alive. Since spririt breathes life into our physical bodies..
[b]Minority Point of View
At birth, physically alive and spiritually dead. Second birth remains
optional. Our eventual physical death is inevitable. Your view?[/b]
I believe it can be measured in watts. Something like 6 watts of electricity. (?)
Originally posted by karoly aczelSo all we need is 10 bacteria cells (alive), and we can power a 60W light bulb! Amazing!
At birth, physically alive ,spiritually alive. If we were spiritually dead then we would not be physically alive. Since spririt breathes life into our physical bodies..
I believe it can be measured in watts. Something like 6 watts of electricity. (?)
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyso in your theological view dead babies go to hell?
[b]Minority Point of View
At birth, physically alive and spiritually dead. Second birth remains
optional. Our eventual physical death is inevitable. Your view?[/b]
Where does it say that in the bible? your position is indefensible.
Originally posted by karoly aczelFirst of all, Watts measure energy usage over time, not charge.
I dont follow. Maybe I said it wrong. I've heard that a fully grown person has the electrical charge of around 6 watts . Do i have my facts wrong?
Secondly, you said the spirit breathes life into our physical bodies. Presumably since bacteria are alive, they too must have spirits. If each spirit generates electricity, then so should theirs.
Thirdly, the human body does generate electric currents as part of the nervous system, and as a simply by product of all the chemistry going on. To separate these currents from some hypothetical would generated current would be practically impossible surely.
The soul is not injected into the baby at the time of birth, this is a false belief.
The baby in the womb cannot even begin to grow, without the presence of the spirit soul, and the soul is present at conception.
But before conception, the soul is present, because it is eternal without beginning or end.
Before that soul enters the womb, it was present somewhere else in another material body that it no longer needed, and when that body passes away, it takes another body by entering the womb of its new family......and when it passes from that family, it will go on to another, until it becomes self realized in spiritual knowledge, and develops sentiments to the Lord, then the soul returns to their spiritual home.
The Bhagavad Gita says :Never was there a time when you, nor all these Kings existed, nor in the future shall any of you cease to be, for the soul is unborn and infallible and eternal"
Originally posted by karoly aczelI know this is not an easy concept to recognize but materiality is a "manifested belief system" man is shackled to, and stays this way -until- they conform to the SPIRIT, as is their TRUE image and likeness, which this is the warfare referred "the flesh warreth the spirit", is at enmity with the ignorance of ones TRUE individuality (the lie/ignorance wars the truth of man)..
At birth, physically alive ,spiritually alive. If we were spiritually dead then we would not be physically alive. Since spririt breathes life into our physical bodies..
I believe it can be measured in watts. Something like 6 watts of electricity. (?)
This is why there is what is called "sickness, dis-ease, and death/all ignorance", man under still the strong developed conditioning to the erroneous influential acceptance of a material state of belief.