08 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJayI was under the impression the topic was where Atheists go after death? and had answered that,
You need to look at each persons compete teaching on the matter,
as you know several times in everyone's life you will be stressing a
point on any given topic. The topic could be much larger than a few
bits and pieces of a single conversation.
Kelly
and then I was asked to post backup in scripture ,, so I did.
The very same Paul quote that's been posted here many times in opposition of the Christ quote.
Btw Im not sure that Pauline doctrine isnt due to a later misreading of Paul's writing by Ireneus, Especially since Paul wrote this 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
08 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompI'm unaware of Christ and Paul being at odds on any points, they
I was under the impression the topic was where Atheists go after death? and had answered that,
and then I was asked to post backup in scripture ,, so I did.
The very same Paul quote that's been posted here many times in opposition of the Christ quote.
Btw Im not sure that Pauline doctrine isnt due to a la ...[text shortened]... the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
have different perspectives, that should be a given since Christ is
the only begotten Son of God, the Word of God made flesh. While
Paul is just a Spirit filled believer.
Kelly
08 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJayAre you saying that Paul thought we will be judged only by how we treat other people and not by our beliefs?
I'm unaware of Christ and Paul being at odds on any points, they
have different perspectives, that should be a given since Christ is
the only begotten Son of God, the Word of God made flesh. While
Paul is just a Spirit filled believer.
Kelly
08 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompNo, I'm saying that the topic of judgment is much more than one or
Are you saying that Paul thought we will be judged only by how we treat other people and not by our beliefs?
two lines of scripture from either Jesus or Paul. You need to get it
all to understand what will occur, and because of that taking just
one line of Paul's text or one line of Jesus' will not give you a clear
idea of what is coming.
Kelly
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08 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeeGod is love. Can an atheist question whether this inherent human nature exist?
You claim:
"I can assure anyone that even atheists would be received into heaven if they accepted God (who is love)."
But by definition, someone who accepted God, would not be an Atheist!
Therefore where do Atheists go when they die?
What i mean is that if a person believes in love (actions of love and compassion), that is in its self an acceptance of God. An atheist who repudiates the existence of God, will still be accepted into heaven if his life lived according to kindness and generosity. Whether or not these actions were altruistic or promoted by self- interest.
09 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJaythe matt 25 quote is Christ saying who gets eternal life and who gets everlasting punishment and WHY.
No, I'm saying that the topic of judgment is much more than one or
two lines of scripture from either Jesus or Paul. You need to get it
all to understand what will occur, and because of that taking just
one line of Paul's text or one line of Jesus' will not give you a clear
idea of what is coming.
Kelly
It's Christ that will sit in judgement.
09 Jul 05
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Originally posted by Conrau Khow is what you say here different than what I been saying?
God is love. Can an atheist question whether this inherent human nature exist?
What i mean is that if a person believes in love (actions of love and compassion), that is in its self an acceptance of God. An atheist who repudiates the exis ...[text shortened]... r not these actions were altruistic or promoted by self- interest.
09 Jul 05
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The very fact that you Xtians have to debate intepretations of the bible to decide if atheists get to heaven or not, proves my point.
You think that:
"Should believers in Christ who lived a good moral life go to heaven? - YES, there is no doubt about it"
"Should atheists who lived a good moral life go to heaven? Hmmm..not so sure....let's see what the bible says!"
To you God botherers, all of us atheists are second class citizens.
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09 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompWhen Paul speaks of believing in Christ he does not mean believing in Christ as God and whatever other theologies that go with it. He means believing in his message of love, compassion and tolerance. That is what Jesus defines as righteous (Matthew 25. 31-46). Pauls theology is that faith in Christ is the consitution from which all other laws should follow from. If someone believes in Christ, Paul supposes that they should automatically act rightously. Because they have received his message. However, the word belief can be ambiguous. I'm not sure which way you have interpreted it.
actually I don't but if you think so please enlighten me.
09 Jul 05
I am confused. If one is an atheist he should not believe in Heaven, thus whether someone thinks they should go there after (but is there really after?!) death is irrelevant. And despite the controversy it may cause I will say it people are moral because they believe it brings them something in return (yes, there is no free lunch):
Christians (Muslims, etc) believe they should act in a moral way to get in Heaven. Buddhist teachings speak of cultivating goodness as a necessity for achieving higher level of awareness and better chances of reincarnation, Taoists believe in being good because it is the way of Tao.
What return can an atheist expect from acting good?