Spirituality
16 Aug 10
07 Sep 10
Originally posted by twhitehead"...designing a CPU and the two are designed in tandem.”
This is untrue, and if you really knew anything about the field you would know it. Sure, some CPUs are designed before the motherboard - though in reality socket design is taken into consideration when designing a CPU and the two are designed in tandem.
But once a CPU and socket are designed, it is far from unusual for other CPUs to be designed to fit t ...[text shortened]... d by random chance!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am486
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_3
So you get now that the mother boards have to wait on the CPU, once they know
what they are going to do with the CPU they start the design, the socket has to
follow. Until they know how many pins on the CPU the socket cannot be built,
until they know the pin definition, the circuitry cannot be laid out, the CPU does
come first.
Kelly
07 Sep 10
Originally posted by KellyJayYou just can't admit when you are wrong - even when presented with obvious facts.
......the CPU does come first.
Check out the links I posted. The AMD processor Am486 was designed to fit into Intel designed Socket 3. Do you dispute that, or admit that you are in error?
07 Sep 10
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Originally posted by twhiteheadI am guessing he would do neither.
You just can't admit when you are wrong - even when presented with obvious facts.
Check out the links I posted. The AMD processor Am486 was designed to fit into Intel designed Socket 3. Do you dispute that, or admit that you are in error?
He must have read these links and yet, so far, he hasn't said he disputed them nor does he admit that he is in error so I am guessing he is not going to do so soon although I really wish to be proven completely wrong.
How often have I admitted I was wrong in these forums? I haven’t been keeping tabs on this but I would say “very often” because recently I said “yes, I can see you were right and I was wrong…” in one post and I have often said I was wrong in past forums when I realised I was in error and also often I apologised for being rude; sometimes to Kelly and sometimes to somebody else.
How often have you seen Kelly admit he was wrong?
07 Sep 10
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Kelly
I found some examples of CPU design flaws. These ones don’t involve anything to do with motherboard sockets but they prove it IS possible to have a CPU design flaw despite the money and effort in preventing such flaws:
http://www.brokenthorn.com/Resources/OSDev9.html
“….Controller Malfunctions
This happens rairly, but is possible. Two notible instances are both with the Pentium processor, including the infamous FDIV and foof bugs. The FDIV bug was an internal CPU design flaw, in which the FPU inside the processor gives incorrect results….”
Note where it says “gives incorrect results” at the end of that. To spot those “incorrect results” you presumably don’t have to know exactly HOW the FPU in the CPU works, you just have to know what results it SHOULD give and how to check for that, that is all!
You don’t even have to know how the rest of the CPU works to spot that flaw.
http://www.isystem.com/files/products/InCircuit/HC%28S%2912/IC30405_B2_11.pdf
Known CPU design flaw (MC9S12C128, mask 0L09S and MC9S12B128)
“..Internal RAM is disabled after reset. …”
All you have to know to spot this flaw is that the Internal RAM is not supposed to be disabled after reset and how to check for that; that is all!
So if you like you can forget about motherboards: this is proof that there can be a flaw in a CPU and for it to be possible that flaw to be CORRECTLY identified even if you don’t know the voltage levels, number of transistors, power consumption, number of pins, where the CPU registers are located, or even the basic function of every part of the CPU!
08 Sep 10
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonLOL, yes well.....you got me there.
I am guessing he would do neither.
He must have read these links and yet, so far, he hasn't said he disputed them nor does he admit that he is in error so I am guessing he is not going to do so soon although I really wish to be proven completely wrong.
How often have I admitted I was wrong in these forums? I haven’t been keeping tabs on this but ...[text shortened]... s to Kelly and sometimes to somebody else.
How often have you seen Kelly admit he was wrong?
The Intel chip was created, the socket was there, and AMD built a copy cat part to
fit in the motherboard...I wasn't thinking about copy cat parts coming after the
fact. 🙂
Kelly
08 Sep 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadNo your right, I was not thinking about copy cat parts I was thinking about
You just can't admit when you are wrong - even when presented with obvious facts.
Check out the links I posted. The AMD processor Am486 was designed to fit into Intel designed Socket 3. Do you dispute that, or admit that you are in error?
people who came up with the processor first, not that other people would
build their CPU to fit into what another company did first. Even with your
example here....the CPU still came first just not the AMD one.
Kelly
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by KellyJayYou still haven't answered my question Mr Jay.
No your right, I was not thinking about copy cat parts I was thinking about
people who came up with the processor first, not that other people would
build their CPU to fit into what another company did first. Even with your
example here....the CPU still came first just not the AMD one.
Kelly
If you can accept that a bird can adapt to life in water, why not a land based mammal? And what's stopping the mammal from adapting to water?
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobI thought I had answered your question, sorry! I have maintained that it is much
You still haven't answered my question Mr Jay.
If you can accept that a bird can adapt to life in water, why not a land based mammal? And what's stopping the mammal from adapting to water?
easier to lose an ability or form than it is to acquire a new one. If the birds didn't
have to gain anything to go from life in water to land than fine it can happen.
Kelly
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by KellyJayThat doesn't make any sense.
I thought I had answered your question, sorry! I have maintained that it is much
easier to lose an ability or form than it is to acquire a new one. If the birds didn't
have to gain anything to go from life in water to land than fine it can happen.
Kelly
Yes penguins have lost the ability to fly, but so have emu's, ostrich's, kakapo's and many more. But the penguins have ADAPTED to life in the water, the other flightless birds haven't. The penguins have acquired a new abilty, as you would put it.
Seals have done exactly the same thing, they have adpated to life in the water, this time from living on the land. They have acquired a new ability.
Why can birds adapt to water, yet mammals cannot? What's stopping the mammal from evolving to life in the water?
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobWell, I'm not sure what did and did not have ability to fly before now, I'm also
That doesn't make any sense.
Yes penguins have lost the ability to fly, but so have emu's, ostrich's, kakapo's and many more. But the penguins have ADAPTED to life in the water, the other flightless birds haven't. The penguins have acquired a new abilty, as you would put it.
Seals have done exactly the same thing, they have adpated to life in the w ...[text shortened]... water, yet mammals cannot? What's stopping the mammal from evolving to life in the water?
unclear on what did and didn't have to adapt to life in water too. For all I know
they have always been the way they are now.
Kelly
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by KellyJayFor all I know they have always been the way they are now.
Well, I'm not sure what did and did not have ability to fly before now, I'm also
unclear on what did and didn't have to adapt to life in water too. For all I know
they have always been the way they are now.
Kelly
Well molecular DNA tells us otherwise. The fossil record tells us otherwise.
I'm also unclear on what did and didn't have to adapt to life in water too.
I think there are many things you are unclear on, this line of thought being one of them. I'll try one last time -
Why, in your view, can't a mammal have adapted to life in water? What is stopping it?
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy not do something really useful and build yourself some balls.
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Here is a good place to start.
Kelly