15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo but does Romans 9 talk about God's choice not ours?
Are you a hyper-Calvinist?
15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat scripture is in conflict?
Do you think Romans 9 should be interpreted independently of all other scripture?
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Originally posted by @eladarNo scripture is in conflict with Romans 9 but rather with your interpretation of it that we have no choice. Did you just blank out the all the scriptures that indicate that we do have a choice? Also if you take away free will, how do you explain the existence of evil?
What scripture is in conflict?
15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerPleasr quote the scriptures you think conflict with what I am saying.
No scripture is in conflict with Romans 9 but rather with your interpretation of it that we have no choice. Did you just blank out the all the scriptures that indicate that we do have a choice? Also if you take away free will, how do you explain the existence of evil?
15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI never said that. I said some of us have no choice and it is possible no one has a choice.
First quote the exact words from Romans 9 that you think mean none of us have a choice.
Read the entire chapter.
15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou'd call it free will. Some of us are predestined for hell others for eternal life.
Some of us have no choice to do what? Obey God? Harden our hearts?
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Originally posted by @eladar1. To be clear, by 'predestined for hell' do you mean to say that some were damned to hell before they were born and could do nothing about their own fate?
You'd call it free will. Some of us are predestined for hell others for eternal life.
2. Would you consider the possibility that you were 'predestined for hell?'
15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYes and yes all to the glory of God.
1. To be clear, by 'predestined for hell' do you mean to say that some were damned to hell before they were born and could do nothing about their own fate?
2. Would you consider the possibility that you were 'predestined for hell?'
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Originally posted by @eladarSo let's be clear about your religion here...
Yes and yes all to the glory of God.
You believe that hell is a literally (as described in the bible"s book Revelation of Jesus Christ) real place, a place created by God for the eternal torture of unbelievers through being burnt alive.
You also believe that this same God created a large amount of people whom he predestined to be in this place for eternity, with no chance to escape and no hope of salvation or reprieve.
...and you're OK with this?
15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterWho are we to judge?
So let's be clear about your religion here...
You believe that hell is a literally (as described in revelation) real place, a place created by God for the eternal torture of unbelievers through being burnt alive.
You also believe that this same God created a large amount of people whom he predestined to be in this place for eternity.
And you're OK with this?
I am saying how many are predestined but some. That is beyond question. My question is stiol unanswered. What scripture is there for free will?
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15 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarI'm not asking you to judge, why are you talking about judging.
Who are we to judge?
I am saying how many are predestined but some. That is beyond question. My question is stiol unanswered. What scripture is there for free will?
I'm asking if you are ok with it?