Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI responded to your list of 12 verses that you (incorrectly) thought showed Jesus wasn’t God. Did you miss my response? Were you not familiar with the Hebrews verse?
He never had any intention of debating the topic of the thread. (The reason why he made 14 quick posts in a row).
It was a dump and run strategy.
And as I previously said, amigo, we can’t have a debate/discussion about whether Jesus identified Himself as God before the relevant passages and verses have been posted. And I hadn’t even finished.
Stop being dishonest, tiger.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI actually wasn’t aware when I wrote the OP how many verses there were and how clear Jesus was in some of them. But God’s Holy Spirit indwelling me led me to recall numerous verses and passages that I then Googled to get the exact wording of.
Actually I think he intended to debate it.
But with the "son of God" and "one" with God claims having been refuted, he knows, for all intents and purposes, that he has nothing left.
And as he said in the OP:
"There are not a lot of verses and passages in the Bible where Jesus identifies Himself as God but they do exist. Some are fairly direct; ot ...[text shortened]... git go, he recognized that at best he had "fairly direct" and that most were ambiguous at best.
To God be the glory!
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAlready addressed those, champion. Go back and check the Hebrews verse.
Not to mention the 'definitive' ones he omitted where Jesus clearly isn't God.
Here’s another one passage where Jesus agrees with someone who identifies Him as God after His Resurrection:
“Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
(John 20:19-29)
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.”
(John 8:42-45)
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelHopefully he now knows what it is and thanked you for your generosity.
Yes
In Matthew 16 he asks his disciples who he was. Only Peter guessed right, he said that he was the Messiah. Christ then turns to him and says that upon him will he build his church and that the Father had revealed this to him.
He then inexplicably commands his disciples to tell no one. They were astonished. What they did not know was that if they did tell everyone, they would have rounded him up much sooner for blasphemy.
Really it is no different for us. Jesus asks each of us, who do you think I am?
Only the Father can reveal himself to them.
Originally posted by @romans1009"...we can’t have a debate/discussion about whether Jesus identified Himself as God before the relevant passages and verses have been posted. And I hadn’t even finished."
I responded to your list of 12 verses that you (incorrectly) thought showed Jesus wasn’t God. Did you miss my response? Were you not familiar with the Hebrews verse?
And as I previously said, amigo, we can’t have a debate/discussion about whether Jesus identified Himself as God before the relevant passages and verses have been posted. And I hadn’t even finished.
Stop being dishonest, tiger.
That's a most unusual rule.
Originally posted by @romans1009With the "son of God" and "one" with God claims having been refuted, you know, for all intents and purposes, that you have nothing left.
I asked you several questions relevant to the subject of this thread which you chose to ignore, just as you’ve ignored dozens of questions from me and other posters in the past that expose your “Jesus was only a man” belief as a falsehood.
If you want me to continue addressing your questions, you have to begin addressing mine. That’s how a conversation works, amigo.
Enough of your usual nonsense.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIt’s interesting that the Word of God - specifically Jesus Christ identifying Himself as God - inspires such a reaction in you. You might ask yourself why that is.
With the "son of God" and "one" with God claims having been refuted, you know, for all intents and purposes, that you have nothing left.
Enough of your usual nonsense.
As for me, I will continue to post verses and passages as God’s Holy Spirit leads me to them.
If they upset you so much, maybe you shouldn’t be reading them.
Originally posted by @js357It’s not a rule, but it is common sense. How can we have a debate about something before evidence has been presented?
"...we can’t have a debate/discussion about whether Jesus identified Himself as God before the relevant passages and verses have been posted. And I hadn’t even finished."
That's a most unusual rule.
Originally posted by @romans1009It's not necessary to exhaust all 'evidence' in one burst. It's called self-control.
It’s not a rule, but it is common sense. How can we have a debate about something before evidence has been presented?
Kindly acquire some.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI didn’t exhaust all the evidence in one burst. I posted verses and passages that came to mind and posted more the following day. I suspect I’ll continue to post verses and passages in the future as the Holy Spirit leads me to them.
It's not necessary to exhaust all 'evidence' in one burst. It's called self-control.
Kindly acquire some.
To God be the glory!
Originally posted by @romans1009A troll in a dog collar is still a troll.
I didn’t exhaust all the evidence in one burst. I posted verses and passages that came to mind and posted more the following day. I suspect I’ll continue to post verses and passages in the future as the Holy Spirit leads me to them.
To God be the glory!
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThat’s the best you can do? Your trolling muscles are really atrophied.
A troll in a dog collar is still a troll.