16 Nov 16
Originally posted by Rank outsiderYou didn't say worth changing my mind over.
As I said, quoting chapter and verse has made no difference to your view.
My claim was that this work was not primarily a medical work, but the work of a Christian trying to substantiate his beliefs by reference to the medical pronouncements in the Bible.
When I give you a 'chapter and verse' example of his partial and biased conclusions, you jus ...[text shortened]... t you lap it up without a moment's critical thought simply because it accords with your beliefs.
Is it your opinion that had I said, "OH MY YOUR RIGHT" that alone would prove I'm not
acting with bias?
What medical pronouncement in the Bible is not sound?
The text was written to people without modern knowledge and served them right when
and were they were. You think there was something faulty about that, what is your
complaint?
I've yet to see something from you that actually addresses the soundness of the text
within that time period. Is it your desire to just be contrary, or do you have an actual point
to make?
16 Nov 16
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Originally posted by KellyJaySo you believe that dripping bird blood over a patient who has had leprosy 7 times is an appropriate part of his treatment and medically sound?
You didn't say worth changing my mind over.
Is it your opinion that had I said, "OH MY YOUR RIGHT" that alone would prove I'm not
acting with bias?
What medical pronouncement in the Bible is not sound?
The text was written to people without modern knowledge and served them right when
and were they were. You think there was something faulty about th ...[text shortened]... hat time period. Is it your desire to just be contrary, or do you have an actual point
to make?
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by Rank outsider"I would ask you whether you think bird sacrifice, and dripping blood on the patient, is a medically appropriate practice before someone is admitted back into society having previously suffered from leprosy, but I can find the 'cut and paste' defence for myself on the internet. "
As I said, quoting chapter and verse has made no difference to your view.
My claim was that this work was not primarily a medical work, but the work of a Christian trying to substantiate his beliefs by reference to the medical pronouncements in the Bible.
When I give you a 'chapter and verse' example of his partial and biased conclusions, you jus ...[text shortened]... t you lap it up without a moment's critical thought simply because it accords with your beliefs.
You think that sacrifice is medical advice?
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayIn other words, keep the savages in the dark, don't be caught actually teaching them something. I wonder how many people died before that edict was written? Who didn't have to with just some sound advice?
I think you have a good point, but unlike modern times you do not have the ability to say
cook pork at 350 for 2 hours. Taking all the guess work out of the equation seems like a
much simpler set of directions to me.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by Rank outsiderNo, I think it had nothing to do with being medically sound. I think it had to with making
So you believe that dripping bird blood over a patient who has had leprosy 7 times is an appropriate part of his treatment and medically sound?
sure a person cleaned of leprosy was cleaned and the ceremony of confirming it. Unlike
the modern fakers of the spiritual kind that tell people they just prayed over that they are
healed and they should trust the Lord and not take their meds or some other thing to
prove their faith, that was not how it was done in the OT or NT.
You had to be checked out and a ceremony was done to declare the leper was clean.
Even Jesus when He healed those with leprosy told them to go to the priest, Jesus did
not just send them on their way. So all that bird blood did was keep things properly and in
order.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by sonhousePeople were put in the dark by their own choices. All we had to do was avoid a fruit and
In other words, keep the savages in the dark, don't be caught actually teaching them something. I wonder how many people died before that edict was written? Who didn't have to with just some sound advice?
we didn't. The end result was people were left to their own devices, even within the
Jewish community where these things were known it didn't stop the practices, we tend to
want what we want when we want it.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayActually I don't think the Bible makes any medical recommendations about the treatment of leprosy. It is clear in the Bible that this is not seen as a disease but rather as a spiritual problem. There is no suggestion that isolation is required to prevent the spread of a disease. It is just necessary to remove the outcast from society.
"I would ask you whether you think bird sacrifice, and dripping blood on the patient, is a medically appropriate practice before someone is admitted back into society having previously suffered from leprosy, but I can find the 'cut and paste' defence for myself on the internet. "
You think that sacrifice is medical advice?
However, it is your doctor who claims that the practices recommended in the Bible are sound medically. If he does this for some practices recommended for lepers he should do it for all.
The fact that he selects the one element that is medically sound and ignored those that are both ludicrous and potentially harmful demonstrates that he is not interested in assessing the Bible from a medical perspective but a Christian one.
Which is all I claimed.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by Rank outsiderAre you serous, not a disease. I think we are done.
Actually I don't think the Bible makes any medical recommendations about the treatment of leprosy. It is clear in the Bible that this is not seen as a disease but rather as a spiritual problem. There is no suggestion that isolation is required to prevent the spread of a disease. It is just necessary to remove the outcast from society.
However, it ...[text shortened]... n assessing the Bible from a medical perspective but a Christian one.
Which is all I claimed.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayThat brings in the plot problem. An all knowing omniscient god would have no need for such tests, since it would have known the outcome of such tests before they were ever given and to say that all humans are punished because of the failure of one person is just another ploy with the motive of control of populations.
People were put in the dark by their own choices. All we had to do was avoid a fruit and
we didn't. The end result was people were left to their own devices, even within the
Jewish community where these things were known it didn't stop the practices, we tend to
want what we want when we want it.
It is an entirely human thing to want tests of loyalty and such since we are not telepathic and such.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayOf course. I predicted as much.
Are you serous, not a disease. I think we are done.
And yet you have not addressed any of the issues I raised as evidence of the doctor's bias on the topic, even when I have given 'chapter and verse'.
Which demonstrates that your bleating about my not quoting him was simply you being disingenuous and not wishing to enter into a debate about his obvious bias and the lack of medical credibility in his work.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by Rank outsiderDebating what?
Of course. I predicted as much.
And yet you have not addressed any of the issues I raised as evidence of the doctor's bias on the topic, even when I have given 'chapter and verse'.
Which demonstrates that your bleating about my not quoting him was simply you being disingenuous and not wishing to enter into a debate about his obvious bias and the lack of medical credibility in his work.
Everyone has a bias if you are a live and have a thought about a topic there is a bias.
What I said was that he is an MD therefore when he looked at the topic he did it with an
MD view point, he has nothing else to use but what he is. You think that some how
disqualifies him to speak upon a medical topic and his degrees do not lend themselves
to show his credibility? You show your own lack of understanding on qualifications for
such a view.
Your lack of specifics and point of view that leprosy isn't a disease shows me you have
not much understanding on topic of diseases as well.
Your brought up the bird blood I answered directly, even if you choose to ignore it.
So now you may go on and insult me again, belittle a doctor for not having understanding
about medical field while you claim leprosy isn't a disease and make yourself look good
in your own eyes. I'm not going to entertain anything else from you on this topic unless
you actually bring up something worth discussion.
16 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayWell, I didn't claim leprosy wasn't a disease.
Debating what?
Everyone has a bias if you are a live and have a thought about a topic there is a bias.
What I said was that he is an MD therefore when he looked at the topic he did it with an
MD view point, he has nothing else to use but what he is. You think that some how
disqualifies him to speak upon a medical topic and his degrees do not lend themse ...[text shortened]... n anything else from you on this topic unless
you actually bring up something worth discussion.
Care to retract that?
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou can look back and see your mistake and that what you have claimed I have said is untrue.
No I will not since you said it was not according to scripture which leads me to believe you know little about either topic.
That it was the basis of your argument in the previous post, but you are not prepared to accept your error, and correct it, is indicative of your unwillingness to engage in debate sensibly.