in your face god

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Our ways are not Gods, and thank goodness for that. We used to punish people as detailed in the Bible back in the Medieval Period here in Western Europe. We now look back at that period of history as insanely brutal and violent.

Really, you think people have not in the past or for that matter in the present
done wicked things to each other as both punishment and just because they
wanted to? With God there isn't a sliding scale, you sin your guilty, and we have
all sinned. God isn't out to get you, but save you from the coming judgment,
and if you reject that help, you are on your own, because He is not going to
force you, the choice is yours as always.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Really, you think people have not in the past or for that matter in the present
done wicked things to each other as both punishment and just because they
wanted to? With God there isn't a sliding scale, you sin your guilty, and we have
all sinned. God isn't out to get you, but save you from the coming judgment,
and if you reject that help, you are on your own, because He is not going to
force you, the choice is yours as always.
Kelly

Thank goodness we have a sliding scale in our justice system. That's a good thing right?

God is going to save us form the coming judgement, yet the judgement is going to be carried out by God himself? God is going to save us from himself?! 😕

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Thank goodness we have a sliding scale in our justice system. That's a good thing right?

God is going to save us form the coming judgement, yet the judgement is going to be carried out by God himself? God is going to save us from himself?! 😕

Yes, if you sin it will be dealt with to the fullest, either through grace or the
judgment required for a life full of sin, there will be no one with a one or two sin
life. The warning has gone out, and I wish we would all get ready, but people
would just as soon call God some type of monster than admit they have sinned
against God, man, and themselves.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, if you sin it will be dealt with to the fullest, either through grace or the
judgment required for a life full of sin, there will be no one with a one or two sin
life. The warning has gone out, and I wish we would all get ready, but people
would just as soon call God some type of monster than admit they have sinned
against God, man, and themselves.
Kelly

Here's a scenario for you -

Person A works for a children's charity, does so all their life looking after sick and dying children. They are also an atheist who lives unmarried with their partner.

Person B is a convicted child sex attacker who has multiple convictions. This person a few months from their death accepts God's grace and becomes a Christian.

What happens to each person come judgement in your understanding of scripture?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You live with the results of your actions in the here and now, you sleep around
and pick up an STD...its a result of your action, you slap someone in the face
and they break your jaw is a result of your actions, you rob a bank and get
caught you go to jail again a result of your actions, you live with the choices
you make! Those around you will either b ...[text shortened]... k and bite them as everything will be put on
full display and all debts will be settled.
Kelly

you mention getting an std is a result of your own actions....what if an innocent loving wife has a husband who cheats on her and passes on an std.

your simplistic way of looking at the world doesnt translate to reality. there are lots of people who are innocently suffering are you really suggesting they all did something to deserve it??? or are they being punished for the sins of their fathers? either way its monstrous and immoral that they should be punished that way.

what is the debt owed by a 5yr old leukemia sufferer?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Any punishment in the here and now may get it into your head that you need
to repent, but once your life ends its settled.
Kelly

repent??? what do i need to repent for? ive dont nothing wrong. i have an opinion about god.....am i not allowed to have an opinion?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
repent??? what do i need to repent for? ive dont nothing wrong. i have an opinion about god.....am i not allowed to have an opinion?

Even if you did nothing wrong Jesus still said repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Here's a scenario for you -

Person A works for a children's charity, does so all their life looking after sick and dying children. They are also an atheist who lives unmarried with their partner.

Person B is a convicted child sex attacker who has multiple convictions. This person a few months from their death accepts God's grace and becomes a Christian.

What happens to each person come judgement in your understanding of scripture?

I'll make it very easy for you EVERYONE who dies in their sins, will stand
before God in their sins and will pay for them. All who come to God for the
grace given to us through Jesus Christ will be forgiven for all their sins and they
will stand before God in Jesus' righteousness not their own. So pick any good
or bad person conflict you can come up with and if any of the people in the
conflict you have an issue with has any sin in thier lives they either will die in
those sins for be forgiven by God through Jesus Christ, there are no other
choices.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
you mention getting an std is a result of your own actions....what if an innocent loving wife has a husband who cheats on her and passes on an std.

your simplistic way of looking at the world doesnt translate to reality. there are lots of people who are innocently suffering are you really suggesting they all did something to deserve it??? or are the ...[text shortened]... that they should be punished that way.

what is the debt owed by a 5yr old leukemia sufferer?

Yea, you really cannot work that out for yourself?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'll make it very easy for you EVERYONE who dies in their sins, will stand
before God in their sins and will pay for them. All who come to God for the
grace given to us through Jesus Christ will be forgiven for all their sins and they
will stand before God in Jesus' righteousness not their own. So pick any good
or bad person conflict you can come up wit ...[text shortened]... n
those sins for be forgiven by God through Jesus Christ, there are no other
choices.
Kelly

So how does that relate to my hypothetical? What would happen to person A and B?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So how does that relate to my hypothetical? What would happen to person A and B?

Did you follow along where I said everyone who dies in their sins will stand
before God in them, and those that come to Jesus Christ do not. It does not
matter how many good works you do, you cannot earn your way into God's
Kingdom, you cannot pay your way in, you cannot do anything other than
come to God for forgiveness unearned, because it comes only through Jesus
Christ no other.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yea, you really cannot work that out for yourself?
Kelly

its hard to figure things out when they are so illogical and immoral. is it so bizarre that i cant get my head around why innocent people have to suffer because of the random rules of a god.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Did you follow along where I said everyone who dies in their sins will stand
before God in them, and those that come to Jesus Christ do not. It does not
matter how many good works you do, you cannot earn your way into God's
Kingdom, you cannot pay your way in, you cannot do anything other than
come to God for forgiveness unearned, because it comes only through Jesus
Christ no other.
Kelly

So the child rapist will go to heaven because he 'came to God' and the lifelong child worker goes to hell?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Did you follow along where I said everyone who dies in their sins will stand
before God in them, and those that come to Jesus Christ do not. It does not
matter how many good works you do, you cannot earn your way into God's
Kingdom, you cannot pay your way in, you cannot do anything other than
come to God for forgiveness unearned, because it comes only through Jesus
Christ no other.
Kelly

therefore in your world it doesnt matter what you do with your life, how cruel or violent you are. as long as you repent you are golden. who in their right mind would want to buy into a system like that.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
therefore in your world it doesnt matter what you do with your life, how cruel or violent you are. as long as you repent you are golden. who in their right mind would want to buy into a system like that.

Praise God that you don't have to prove yourself to God.