In God We Trust

Originally posted by caissad4
IN GOD WE TRUST was added to US currency by executive order by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.

I'm specifically talking about folding money.
I believe it was added during the McCartyism 50s ... better red than dead
etc. best to have a Supreme Being on your side as you prepare for nuclear
war!

But isn't it redundant now?
What message is it giving to American atheists and other faiths abroad?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Would you (or maybe I mean could you) define "evil" as a lack of morality? Or is your position that a lack of morality isn't necessarily "evil"?

I am not sure that the two map.

You could have a person with great moral understanding, who then
intentionally did things that contravened their moral understanding.
So they absolutely knew what they were doing was wrong and why.

I might argue that that person was more evil than a person with no
understanding of morality who did things that were harmful but that
didn't understand that their actions were wrong.


A hurricane has no morals but it isn't evil when it kills people.


I might even argue that for a being to be evil they must have a knowledge
of morality so that they know their actions are wrong and do them anyway.

Although it might not feel a lot different to be on the receiving end of the
harmful action I think that for the actor to be evil they must understand
morality.


So it probably depends on quite what you are asking.

Originally posted by divegeester
Heart has an "e" in it.

Why are you guys so worried about spelling? He already knows that. Even a moron like me knows that. I have already explained to you guys that sometimes there is an internet delay and some keystrokes are not registered. I usually go back and insert the missing letters and such so you guys don't go ballistic about it.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Wall of text does 2000 damage to your eye socket...


Wow. Which reality do you live in?

Unfortunately the UK does not have more atheists than theists... Sadly.

There is no evidence that increased atheism leads to less morality or higher crime...
In fact there is [weak] evidence of the reverse.

Morality doesn't come from religions or gods a ...[text shortened]... eath... And then typing your
message out slowly utilising the return key as often as possible.

Most stupidity from the google some fudge.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I'm specifically talking about folding money.
I believe it was added during the McCartyism 50s ... better red than dead
etc. best to have a Supreme Being on your side as you prepare for nuclear
war!

But isn't it redundant now?
What message is it giving to American atheists and other faiths abroad?

Who gives a rat's a$$?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Who gives a rat's a$$?

People other than you evidently.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I am not sure that the two map.

You could have a person with great moral understanding, who then
intentionally did things that contravened their moral understanding.
So they absolutely knew what they were doing was wrong and why.

I might argue that that person was more evil than a person with no
understanding of morality who did things that we ...[text shortened]... evil they must understand
morality.


So it probably depends on quite what you are asking.

That is why God gave the ten commandments, so we have no excuse as to what is wrong.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is why God gave the ten commandments, so we have no excuse as to what is wrong.

Gods have nothing to do with morality.

You are confusing morality and sin.

They are not the same thing.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I can help you out here, Bob.

On the left side, above the pyramid, it says, ANNUIT COEPTIS. The official translation of this is "He (God) favors our undertakings." Below the pyramid, it says, NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM. The official translation of this is "New Order of the Ages."

Under the two sides of the Great Seal, it says (on the left), THE GREAT SEAL ...[text shortened]... d ancestries has emerged a single people and nation—illustrating the concept of the melting pot.

Excellent substantive reply, Suzi; I'm impressed with your knowledge in this somewhat arcane category. Thank you.

Originally posted by Suzianne
"In God We Trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E Pluribus Unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.

With GB's affirmation you can sleep soundly tonight.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
With GB's affirmation you can sleep soundly tonight.

[w59] It's okay to dismount now; the day's work is done. [w59]<--- Monogrammed Bookends for future use. lol

Originally posted by googlefudge
I am not sure that the two map.

You could have a person with great moral understanding, who then
intentionally did things that contravened their moral understanding.
So they absolutely knew what they were doing was wrong and why.

I might argue that that person was more evil than a person with no
understanding of morality who did things that we ...[text shortened]... evil they must understand
morality.


So it probably depends on quite what you are asking.

Fair enough.

Thanks for answering my questions.

Time to take it off the $ bills?

Question to US Athiest activists:

If you would remove "In God We Trust" off of the US dollar bill then would you also remove "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal ... endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights among which ...the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness ....etc." [paraphrased] from the Preamble of the US Constitution ?

Yes ?
No?

Why No, if No ? (A genuine question )

Originally posted by sonship

Time to take it off the $ bills?

Question to US Athiest activists:

If you would remove [b] "In God We Trust" off of the US dollar bill then would you also remove "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal ... endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights among which ...the pursuit of life, lib ...[text shortened]... Preamble of the US Constitution ?

Yes ?
No?

Why No, if No ? (A genuine question )

The passage you quoted is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

DoI is not a governing document.

"In God We Trust" was not originally on the currency. It was added during the Eisenhower administration. I think it ought to be removed. Currency is not the same thing as a historical document. It is changed all the time.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
The passage you quoted is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

DoI is not a governing document.

"In God We Trust" was not originally on the currency. It was added during the Eisenhower administration. I think it ought to be removed. Currency is not the same thing as a historical document. It is changed all the time.

[b]The passage you quoted is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Oops.

DoI is not a governing document.

"In God We Trust" was not originally on the currency. It was added during the Eisenhower administration.

That it was added latter, I remember.
And my question still stands to the US atheist activist crowd. Would they want to remove that statement from the Preamble.

The US dollar is probably also not a "governing document" if that is the case. No ?

I think it ought to be removed. Currency is not the same thing as a historical document. It is changed all the time.

Thanks for you opinion there.
I was wondering.

It seems a bit fanatical to me.

Are you an American citizen ? ?