Originally posted by DragonFriend
I agree. Sometimes there are scientific answers. And sometimes there's not. It's the not's that I'm considering miracles.

DF

The question is "are they miracles, or just unexplained phenomena?" If you do decide that they are miracles, you then have to attribute them to something, and prove that the thing that you have attributed them to is actually the cause. For example, some dead person comes back to life - you attribute it to god, I attribute it to the flying spaghetti monster. How can one tell which is right and which is wrong? Short answer - it's impossible. The definition of a miracle is that it HAS no explanation.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Every breath you take is a miracle.

Indeed, the rythmic motion of the diaphram changes the volume of the lungs (essentially because you have a defined body cavity volume filled with a liquid. When you compress or decompress one bit, you have to equal that pressure elsewhere - a bit like a balloon half-full of water, squeeze one end and the other will bulge out, except the other way around). As you increase the volume of the lungs, you lower the air pressure inside. The disparity in air pressure causes air to rush from outside to inside.

The opposite happens when you breathe out. i.e. the diaphram moves up, compressing the lungs, reducing the volume and increasing the pressure. Air rushes out to equalise the pressure.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
The question is "are they miracles, or just unexplained phenomena?" If you do decide that they are miracles, you then have to attribute them to something, and prove that the thing that you have attributed them to is actually the cause. For example, some dead person comes back to life - you attribute it to god, I attribute it to the flying spaghetti mo ...[text shortened]... Short answer - it's impossible. The definition of a miracle is that it HAS no explanation.

it is interesting you say that cause if all those same people and that man i talked about who got healed had exactly the same belief in the FSM as God then the results would proberbly be the same. nobody believes in FSM, 'unless you made some recent converts' cause he/she ain't real... God is.

Originally posted by Kaboooomba
maybe it was a miracle he didn't die.

and how many millions in the same situation would have died. Statistics are just that way - for every one that lives, many more die. Not a miracle, just a statistical blimp.

Originally posted by Kaboooomba
[real] God is.

prove it.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
prove it.

... love.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Same amount of heat is emmited BUT the intensity is less when you 10ft away. You are not sensitive enough to detect the heat at such a low intensity.
If a place becomes brighter, generally, it will become hotter. It depends on the intensity and the type of light being emmited (some light has different energy levels).

There you go. It is possible for a place to get brighter without getter proportionally hotter. That was my long winded point.

DF

Originally posted by scottishinnz
The question is "are they miracles, or just unexplained phenomena?" If you do decide that they are miracles, you then have to attribute them to something, and prove that the thing that you have attributed them to is actually the cause. For example, some dead person comes back to life - you attribute it to god, I attribute it to the flying spaghetti mo ...[text shortened]... Short answer - it's impossible. The definition of a miracle is that it HAS no explanation.

And thus if a probe found God in the middle of the sun, science wouldn't call Him God. They'd give Him a name, like alien species, and attribute the things He does that defy our explaination on something else, like advanced technology. After all, He's not God, He's just an alien species, right?

DF

Originally posted by scottishinnz
and how many millions in the same situation would have died. Statistics are just that way - for every one that lives, many more die. Not a miracle, just a statistical blimp.

That's the problem with science. It has to give a label to everything so it can deal with it. And in doing so, it leaves no room for God.
You keep saying if God proved Himself you'd believe in Him. But you can give a label to anything He can do, and if you can label it you don't consider it anything special (maybe unknown yet, but only unknown for now). And so you will never believe in God because you won't allow yourself to think outside of the scientific box.

DF

Originally posted by DragonFriend
There you go. It is possible for a place to get brighter without getter proportionally hotter. That was my long winded point.

DF

Getting back to the point. If the sun was seven times brighter, this would imply that the sun was much larger, or that the earth was much closer to the sun. Consequently, the atmospheric temperature of Earth would augment substantially (ever looked at the photos of Venus or Mercury?) and hell would be cooler then heaven .

And anyway, heat and light are the same thing. If you have more light, you will have more heat. FACT. With the globe, you can detect optical light but you can't discern infr-red light (heat) with your eyes and neither is your skin receptive enough to feel the heat.

Originally posted by DragonFriend
That's the problem with science. It has to give a label to everything so it can deal with it. And in doing so, it leaves no room for God.
You keep saying if God proved Himself you'd believe in Him. But you can give a label to anything He can do, and if you can label it you don't consider it anything special (maybe unknown yet, but only unknown for now) ...[text shortened]... elieve in God because you won't allow yourself to think outside of the scientific box.

DF

Yes, the wish to understand our entire existance and everything in it is, indeed, the major drawback in science. One I can happily live with though - sure beats the hell out of ignorance.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Yes, the wish to understand our entire existance and everything in it is, indeed, the major drawback in science. One I can happily live with though - sure beats the hell out of ignorance.

While I agree that knowledge is always better than ignorance, we have to be careful about putting limits on what we allow ourselves to learn.

DF

Originally posted by Kaboooomba
it is interesting you say that cause if all those same people and that man i talked about who got healed had exactly the same belief in the FSM as God then the results would proberbly be the same. nobody believes in FSM, 'unless you made some recent converts' cause he/she ain't real... God is.

people do believe:
http://www.venganza.org/

so there.

Originally posted by RBHILL
If you were to die on me right know where would you go?

I now I wudna stay on you long

Originally posted by Kaboooomba
there are good and bad people in all areas of life. the worst i believe could hold connections to some churches. do you ever take the time to consider what people can do to other people with an expert knowledge in the medical world?

I'm afraid I don't follow your question, Kabooomba.

DF