31 Mar 05
Originally posted by frogstompYou should read the Greek, rather than the KJV.
Chist was saying Peter solid as a rock so he was chosen to be the leader of the church after the cruxifiction
Mathew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon
Barjona ...[text shortened]... and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.
NOT stones : a rock : ONE
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Originally posted by DarfiusGreek scholars can tell you that in the first century the words petros and petra were synonyms. In Attic Greek, centuries before Christ, the words meant "small stone" and "large rock" in a few poems. That distinction, however, was absent in Koine Greek, the language of the Gospel of Matthew. Petros and petra both mean "rock" in Koine Greek; lithos means small stone in Koine Greek. If Jesus wanted to make the distinction that Darfius alleges, Jesus could have expressed himself more clearly by calling Peter lithos.
You should read the Greek, rather than the KJV.
Of course, Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek. In Aramaic the word kepha means rock or stone; this name for Simon is preserved as Cephas in I Corinthians.
See D. A. Carson. The Expositor’s Bible Commentary. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984.
Darfius, in his wisdom and knowledge, will now tell us that Carson is a Catholic source, and thereby already impeached. Do not believe him. Zondervan is an evangelical publisher.
31 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusThese two verses and the verse in Revelation concerning Petra clears it up and makes it clear that though Peter did help build the church through his service to Christ, the other apostles were just as important, and the RCC's claims are false, which makes sense, because their church has always been corrupt.
Petros
"a stone" = Peter
petra
"a large bed-rock" = Rock
Peter was a piece of rock built on the bed-rock that was Christ.
All of the ohter apostles were foundation stones built on the foundation of Christ.
Ephesians 2:19-22
" 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are ...[text shortened]... Revelations when the Jews will flee to Petra in Jordan to avoid destruction by the Antichrist.
31 Mar 05
Originally posted by WulebgrFor the New Testament, the original Greek text is used by the Greek Church, while the other Orthodox Churches have translated the Bible into their own native languages from the original Greek, with the Slavonic translation the oldest. The Orthodox Church has not as yet translated the Bible into English, so has no official English translation. In the meantime, the Orthodox are temporarily using both the King James Version and the Revised Standard Version.
If petra means rock, and refers to Christ, while petros means stone and refers to Peter, why is the apostle expressed in masculine terms, and Jesus in feminine? Isn't petros the masculine form of a feminine noun petras?
http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7068.asp
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Originally posted by DarfiusMathew cleared it up quite nicely he quotes Christ,, only a deceiver would look beyond that
These two verses and the verse in Revelation concerning Petra clears it up and makes it clear that though Peter did help build the church through his service to Christ, the other apostles were just as important, and the RCC's claims are fa ...[text shortened]... , which makes sense, because their church has always been corrupt.