heaven vs. hell

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
how do you know they are unrested souls? how do you even know they exist?

Several members of my family have seen them roaming their homes, and they are usually people (some related,some not) that died suddenly or had violent deaths.
That's how I know they exist.

Originally posted by Chessplaya548
Several members of my family have seen them roaming their homes, and they are usually people (some related,some not) that died suddenly or had violent deaths.
That's how I know they exist.

but how do you know they are "unresting souls" when maybe there is a way that they just visit?

Originally posted by Chessplaya548
Several members of my family have seen them roaming their homes, and they are usually people (some related,some not) that died suddenly or had violent deaths.
That's how I know they exist.

You know, you shouldn't drink when you are playing chess - bad for your rating (like I'm one to preach!).

Mind you, it's not as if almost everyone on this forum doesn't hear voices or see imaginary things....

Originally posted by scottishinnz
You know, you shouldn't drink when you are playing chess - bad for your rating (like I'm one to preach!).

Mind you, it's not as if almost everyone on this forum doesn't hear voices or see imaginary things....

The voices in my head all agree with you.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
You know, you shouldn't drink when you are playing chess - bad for your rating (like I'm one to preach!).

Mind you, it's not as if almost everyone on this forum doesn't hear voices or see imaginary things....

they are real, w/e they are. idk whether to call them ghosts or spirits, or just weird happenings. ive seen it before.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
they are real, w/e they are. idk whether to call them ghosts or spirits, or just weird happenings. ive seen it before.

In my experience, people believe a lot of stupid things without any real substance, when viewed objectively in the cold, hard light of day. How do you explain this otherwise?

http://www.elvissightingbulletinboard.com/SightingLog.shtml

Or,

http://www.abduct.com/books/b82.php

or

http://www.iwasabducted.com/

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_surgery

or

http://skepdic.com/mesmer.html


[edit; btw, I'm not calling you a liar - I'm sure YOU believe in it.]

Originally posted by scottishinnz
In my experience, people believe a lot of stupid things without any real substance, when viewed objectively in the cold, hard light of day. How do you explain this otherwise?

http://www.elvissightingbulletinboard.com/SightingLog.shtml

Or,

http://www.abduct.com/books/b82.php

or

http://www.iwasabducted.com/

or

http://en.wikipedia.org ...[text shortened]... dic.com/mesmer.html


[edit; btw, I'm not calling you a liar - I'm sure YOU believe in it.]

you have to see it to believe it, i guess thats why you dont believe in god also.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
you have to see it to believe it, i guess thats why you dont believe in god also.

Do you believe that Elvis still is alive?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Do you believe that Elvis still is alive?

no, but i believe 2pac is alive.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
no, but i believe 2pac is alive.

on what basis do you make that differentiation?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
on what basis do you make that differentiation?

lots of things. his lyrics predict his death for one. i can post a few links but they are not appropriate for a 14 years and up site, ill message it to you though if you want.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
you have to see it to believe it, i guess thats why you dont believe in god also.

There's a tendency to use socially accepted norms as a label to hold on to when we're confronted with something beyond our normal experiences.
The hysteria associated with burning witches in the middle ages and more recently UFO sightings and alien abductions are all classic examples.
Aliens, spacecraft and strange alien motivations are all things that we accept as a matter of course, through the science fiction books and films and TV programs of the last 50 years or so.
So, when confronted with an unusual experience - one that can't apparently be explained - some people will choose these as crutches/labels on which to name their experience and in that way understand it.
Ghosts are exactly the same.
Those of you who have seen them or know others who have seen them, may genuinely believe in their existence. Coupled with pop culture and a desire to believe in an existence beyond death, it's understandable.
But there's no scientific basis for such a belief.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
lots of things. his lyrics predict his death for one. i can post a few links but they are not appropriate for a 14 years and up site, ill message it to you though if you want.

Yes, that'd be useful. Please provide commentary on why you believe that his lyrics suggest the specific death he had at a specific time, and not just a vague "I'm going to die one day" prediction.

Back to Elvis, lots of people have, or at least claim to have, seen him. Surely, that means that Elvis isn't dead? What happens to that hypothesis when he is exhumed and his bones shown to you (and obviously DNA typed, to show it was his skeleton, not anyone elses)?

The question really comes down to this; how do you decide what is real, and what is not real? People's testimony is rarely reliable, even if they are trying hard to be as transparent and honest as possible. The brain is fantastically good at seeing patterns, even when they don't exist - ever seen a face or an object in a cloud?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Yes, that'd be useful. Please provide commentary on why you believe that his lyrics suggest the specific death he had at a specific time, and not just a vague "I'm going to die one day" prediction.

Back to Elvis, [b]lots of people have, or at least claim to have, seen him. Surely, that means that Elvis isn't dead? What happens to that hypoth ...[text shortened]... t seeing patterns, even when they don't exist - ever seen a face or an object in a cloud?[/b]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3284859666303116760&q=tupac&hl=en

heres one, listen to the words to the clips of songs in there. the "7 day theory" basically states that the reacurring "7"s are not coincidence and tupac did it on purpose and for a reason. also, on the album released around the time of his death, he used the name Makaveli, which Niccolo Machiavelli who supposedly believed in faking your death to decieve your enemies.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3284859666303116760&q=tupac&hl=en

heres one, listen to the words to the clips of songs in there. the "7 day theory" basically states that the reacurring "7"s are not coincidence and tupac did it on purpose and for a reason. also, on the album released around the time of his death, he used the name Makaveli, w ...[text shortened]... ch Niccolo Machiavelli who supposedly believed in faking your death to decieve your enemies.

what do you think?