Cheney:

The more I hear that narrative, the more disgusted I get. God creates us, then allows satan to have his way with us. Seems like a shiitty deal to me.
Job would agree with me.

" Then Job answered Jehovah and said, I know that You can do all things and that no purpose of Yours can be restrained.

Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?

Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.

Hear now and I will speak. I will ask of You and You shall inform me. I had heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye has seen You; Therefore I abhor myself, and I repent in dust and ashes. "

The more I hear that narrative, the more disgusted I get. God creates us, then allows satan to have his way with us

"And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." (Gen. 2:16,17)

"And He [God] said, Who told you that you are naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" (Gen 3:11)

"See, this alone have I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes." (Ecc. 7:29)

Originally posted by @badradger
is that a pub in Bridlington.

Originally posted by @sonship
Cheney:

The more I hear that narrative, the more disgusted I get. God creates us, then allows satan to have his way with us. Seems like a shiitty deal to me.
Job would agree with me.

In the of [b]Job, a long debate FILLED with Job's great arguments against God, Job agrees with God.

So actually Job wen ...[text shortened]... you are reading the book.
Good.

I read with a willingness to have my being changed by God.[/b]

you gotta take it, you gotta own it. live according to CORRECT INTERPRETATION. live it , thats how god changes you

Prayer of hesitant modern man.

Lord Jesus, I don't know if Your Bible says the universe is 4,000 years old, 6,000 years old, 10 billion or 15 billion years old.

But Lord Jesus I think I know that I am a sinner in need of forgiveness. Just as I am I come to you for saving. Lord Jesus show me what is most important in Your word too.

Originally posted by @sonship

you gotta take it, you gotta own it. live according to CORRECT INTERPRETATION. live it , thats how god changes you

You have to take Him the Person of Jesus into you.

Correct interpretation of all 66 books and every chapter does not have to be secured before one can say -

[b]"Lord Jesus, I love You. Help Lord Jesus my unlove for Y ...[text shortened]... st Jesus to come into my heart." [/i] is only an excuse to shut your heart to God's salvation.

Another prayer for the weary of corruption:

" Lord Jesus, I cannot change my lustful self. I am tired of bragging about my degradation and lack of self control. I am tired of wearing my sins as a bragging badge, my shame as a trophy.

Lord Jesus cleanse me, forgive me, come into me and empower me to think right, feel right, live right by Your grace.

Thankyou Lord Jesus. He who commits pornography is indeed a slave of pornography. Unchain my mind and heart Victorious Lord Jesus. I love You. I need You to be my victorious overcomer in me."

Originally posted by @sonship

The more I hear that narrative, the more disgusted I get. God creates us, then allows satan to have his way with us

We may say that to a limited degree God allowed Satan to attack Job.

But with Adam and Eve the race's parents, God WARNED them NOT to put themselves in a position allowing an enemy of God to attack them.

[b] " ...[text shortened]... nd, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes." (Ecc. 7:29)

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Originally posted by @chaney3
#1. God created Adam, and knew he'd eat the fruit.

#2. God allowed satan to nearly destroy Job, and it may be still occuring with us today.

In both cases, God created all including satan, and supposedly knew exactly how it would unfold. Our free will may be overrated.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Overrated no, we choose it’s real as real as it gets either way. You seem to be of the mindset God should not have allowed us to make our choices if we and others have to live with the consequences of our choices.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I'm saying that God is not blameless.

Originally posted by @chaney3
When is everyone gonna truly realize that if humans sin, and have bad thoughts...God created it. God created us humans with this dilemma, period.

I'm getting tired of listening to how awful we are because of Adam. If we suck, talk to God.

It's like someone buying a ball, then getting pissed off when the damn thing rolls and bounces. Enough!!

If you're a sinner and have impure thoughts, look up, and thank your Creator.

Sheesh.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
This is nothing better than a typical teenager throwing a temper tantrum, blaming his parents with the inevitable, "It's not MY fault I was born! It's your fault!"

With all due respect, you apparently don't understand the Garden of Eden story and what it teaches us.

God created us without the knowledge of evil. Adam and Eve were given a clear choice. Either live without the knowledge of evil, without the free will to commit evil---or---gain the knowledge of evil for which you will surely suffer and die. Our perfect representatives (more perfect than any of us because we are ensconced with the knowledge of evil whereas they were not) literally chose free will, suffering, and death.

"Give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry