24 Jan '11 21:05>7 edits
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you know Jay, i am not going to even argue with you, God also said of King David, your Kingship will be indefinite,
(2 Samuel 7:15-16) . . .As for my loving-kindness, it will not depart from him the way I removed it from Saul, whom I removed on account of you. And your house and your kingdom will certainly be steadfast to time indefinite before ...[text shortened]... he book of revelation, and no amount of postulating on the divinity of Christ can mar that fact!
you know Jay, i am not going to even argue with you, God also said of King David, your Kingship will be indefinite,
(2 Samuel 7:15-16) . . .As for my loving-kindness, it will not depart from him the way I removed it from Saul, whom I removed on account of you. And your house and your kingdom will certainly be steadfast to time indefinite before you; your very throne will become one firmly established to time indefinite.”’”
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Notice that Jehovah God also says in the same chapter "And I will appoint a place for My people Israel and will plant them [there], that they may dwell in their own place and be disturbed no more; and the sons of wickedness will ill-treat them no more as before." (v. 10)
We should understand this promise as conditional about thier doing the will of God. That is the only way we can ascertain what something like the Babylonian Captivity meant after this promise was made.
They certainly were "disturbed" by Nebuchadnessor after the time of Second Samuel. And they certainly were "ill-treated" by wicked enemies after this promise. So we have to consider the promise as conditional upon Israel's obedience.
In the same way we have to consider God's promise to David to be conditioned on David's and Solomon, his son's obedience.
" I will raise up your seed after you, which will come forth from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. It is he who will build a house for My name, and I will establish the thone of his kingdom forever."
Now let us go over and see what God actually told Solomon, David's seed.
"And Jehovah said to Solomon, Because you have done this and have not kept My covenant and My statutes, which I commanded you, I will SURELY tear the kingdom away from you and give it to your servant." ( 1 Kings 11:11)
The following verses show that God promises to reserve some remnant of David's prosterity. But as you can see, Solomon's idolatry caused him some disqualification.
Now, when Jesus came He said quite rightly "Something more then Solomon is here." (Luke 11:31) So God can discipline Solomon, abrigate some of His promises to Solomon because of the disqualification of his idolatry. Yet God can also continue the promise through a descendent of David, (namely the Messiah and Son of God) who WAS 1000% obedient to the Father.
" ... because she [the queen of Sheba] came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something more than Solomon is here."
God's promise to David's seed did not lock Jehovah in in a foolish way in which Solomon's idolatry could not effect the promise. God can change His mind without changing His will.
Once again, We have God telling Solomon that the wonderful things said concerning him even back to David his father's time, are conditioned upon Solomon's obedience:
"And I also give you [Solomon] that for which you did not ask, both riches and glory, so that there will be no one among kings like you all your days.
And *IF* you walk in My ways, keeping My statutes and My commandments, as Davd your father walked, I will extend your days." (1 Kings 3:14)
Did Solomon keep the ways of Jehovah God that God might extend his days and continue his throne ?
"And when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect toward Jehovah his God like the heart of David his father. And Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and after Milcom the detestable thing of the Ammonites.
And Solomon did what was evil in the sight of Jehovah and did not fully follow Jehovah as David his father [had done].
Then Solomon built a high place to Chemosh the detestable thing of Moab ... and to Molech the detestable thing of the children of Ammon. And so he did for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and offered sacrifices to their gods.
So Jehovah became angry with Solomon because his heart turned away from Jehovah the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice." (1 Kings 11:4-10)
Because Solomon went after other gods "he did not keep that which Jehovah had commanded" (v.10)
So chastizement was upon Solomon and his kingly throne. The passage you use therefore cannot demonstrate that as God spoke of His Son Jesus Christ, so also He spoke and acted with Solomon.
Christ fulfilled what Solomon failed.
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does that make David God incarnate, hardly, well just stop the postulating Jay, just stop it!
You have once again diverted the issue, in this case the temple arrangement and made it one of an entirely different nature. untill you can explain the significance of the holy of holies, the high priest, the Levitical priesthood, the court of gentiles etc, you cannot claim to have any understanding of the heavenly arrangement of which it foreshadowed nor of the book of revelation, and no amount of postulating on the divinity of Christ can mar that fact!
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Every true Christian understands the divinity of Jesus Christ. There is no need to plunge into the temple matters, as interesting as they are.
Christ is the greater David, the greater Solomon. Where all who came before Him came short, He was the beloved Son with Whom the Father was well pleased at last. He loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. And He is addressed as God in Hebrews 1:8, being God incarnate as a man.