14 Sep 08
Originally posted by timebombtedFine by me, if life were really intelligently designed, science would
Intelligent design is not a science - no evidence for it, no tests, just faith.
Science is not faith based, clear and simple really.
never be able to figure that out. I guess science has built in blinders
when it comes to somethings.
Kelly
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by KellyJayJust sat here waiting for the design evidence KJ, I understand it will take you some time, especially as you claim the evidence is the same for evolution....... so you must have a lot to present.
Fine by me, if life were really intelligently designed, science would
never be able to figure that out. I guess science has built in blinders
when it comes to somethings.
Kelly
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by timebombted"If I start giving you my reasons do you think you will stick around
Just sat here waiting for the design evidence KJ, I understand it will take you some time, especially as you claim the evidence is the same for evolution....... so you must have a lot to present.
and answer them or just let them get stated and move on?
Kelly"
This is what I wrote, please stop adding to my words or twisting them
into something I did not say.
Kelly
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by KellyJay….you and I can read your processor is now at 100C while
It depends again on what it is we are talking about, context will always
play apart. You and I can read your processor is now at 100C while
operating, but what does that mean, why is it 100C...there discussion
and disagreements can occur with the same data sets.
Kelly
operating, but what does that mean, WHY it 100C...there discussion
and disagreements can occur with the same data sets.… (my emphasis)
“WHY”? if I observe that, when the water boils, the thermometer reads 100C, I interpret that as meaning that water boils at 100C -that is all! Obviously I don’t start making other conclusions such as a conclusion of “WHY” it boils at 100C because there is insufficient data for that and, thus, to do that would be unscientific and irrational -so no “bias” there on my part -I would ONLY conclude what can be rationally concluded from the evidence and nothing more!
Again, you appear to be denying that it IS possible to interpret evidence without bias -no doubt you do this because you want to discredit science because some scientific facts clearly contradict some of your beliefs.
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by KellyJayThe words of KJ page 28:
"If I start giving you my reasons do you think you will stick around
and answer them or just let them get stated and move on?
Kelly"
This is what I wrote, please stop adding to my words or twisting them
into something I did not say.
Kelly
"I have the same evidence for design as you do for evolution"
So my posts have not twisted your words. YOU claim you have the same evidence for design as evolution. Evolution has a few hundred years of research and testable hyothesis, from independent researchers, in many different fields all pointing to the same picture.
So lets see if what you claim to have for design is truely the same.
Or were those just words KJ?
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonDid I say there was discussion about 100C water boiling, find the text
[b] ….you and I can read your processor is now at 100C while
operating, but what does that mean, WHY it 100C...there discussion
and disagreements can occur with the same data sets.… (my emphasis)
“WHY”? if I observe that, when the water boils, the thermometer reads 100C, I interpret that as meaning that water boils at 100C -that is all! ...[text shortened]... want to discredit science because some scientific facts clearly contradict some of your beliefs.[/b]
where I said that was an issue. Do take the time to read what I did
write or just stop having discussions with me, if I have to repeat
myself or continually clear up what I did not say it isn't worth it to me
to talk to you any more. What I did say was if your processor was
running at 100C there could be some discussion as to why, it would
mean the context of the data and what is being purposed would either
lend itself to discussion or not, you do not agree with that? Some
things are very straightforward others not so much, again it depends
upon the context of the readings and the assumptions being made
about them.
Kelly
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by timebombtedThe evidence is the same, because we live in the same universe!
The words of KJ page 28:
"I have the same evidence for design as you do for evolution"
So my posts have not twisted your words. YOU claim you have the same evidence for design as evolution. Evolution has a few hundred years of research and testable hyothesis, from independent researchers, in many different fields all pointing to the same picture.
...[text shortened]... s see if what you claim to have for design is truely the same.
Or were those just words KJ?
The universe isn't broken down into two halves where one side
gets to use some of reality for evolution, and the other design it
is all the same. How you look at them is the discussion, you can
look at the same thing I do, and see a different reason for the data,
that is the debate. That was the context for that post, and I told you I
was going to give you my reasons for saying design had more to
do with it than evolution could, I think it is impossible for
evolution to do that from scratch, and I’ll give you my reasons
for saying so.
My kids have had a sleep over, my son just had a birthday, my
life is more than this place, so if I do not get to this right away
it is because I’m busy, and I will get to it when I can. Give it
a rest, I’m looking forward to writing that post more than likely more
than you are wanting to read it.
Kelly
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by KellyJaySo you suddenly changed the subject from talking about the thermometers reading 100C to “processors” operating at 100C in your last post at the bottom of page 30 -and when I read this I thought you must be talking about the same subject but just saying it in the rather peculiar and confusing way you sometimes do talk about things.
Did I say there was discussion about 100C water boiling, find the text
where I said that was an issue. Do take the time to read what I did
write or just stop having discussions with me, if I have to repeat
myself or continually clear up what I did not say it isn't worth it to me
to talk to you any more. What I did say was if your processor was
running ...[text shortened]... it depends
upon the context of the readings and the assumptions being made
about them.
Kelly
So what do you mean by “processor”? what kind of processor? -I mean, are you referring to a computer processor or what?
You appear to be saying here, in a round about way, that some observations are open to more than one credible but conflicting interpretation. -well, of course there are such observations. -so what? -that doesn’t mean that the observations that support, for example, relativity, are open to a number of conflicting interpretations because, if that was true, we would know about it because people would have pointing this out a long time ago. The fact that this is not true is one reason why relativity is a scientific fact and also the existence of time dilation effect is a scientific fact and evolution is a scientific fact etc.
Quantum mechanics has a number of “interpretations” but they are not “conflicting interpretations “ because they all predict exactly the same observed behaviour of mater and energy particles -and quantum mechanics is scientific fact also.
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonI tell you what, I am going to post the reasons why I think the eye
So you suddenly changed the subject from talking about the thermometers reading 100C to “processors” operating at 100C in your last post at the bottom of page 30 -and when I read this I thought you must be talking about the same subject but just saying it in the rather peculiar and confusing way you sometimes do talk about things.
So what do you ...[text shortened]... observed behaviour of mater and energy particles -and quantum mechanics is scientific fact also.
couldn't come about through evolution and you and I can call it a day.
I'm sick and tired of getting accused of some how attempting to
do some evil to science, or flake out because I'm busy, or if I attempt
to make my point clearer I get this "suddendly changing the subject"
You are not worth the grief I am getting. I hope you have a nice life
but we are done.
Kelly
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by KellyJayWell in that case its the same evidence for every crack pot theory that can ever be dreamed up 🙄 However this doesnt ever mean the evidence automatically supports these same claims.
The evidence is the same, because we live in the same universe!
The universe isn't broken down into two halves where one side
gets to use some of reality for evolution, and the other design it
is all the same. How you look at them is the discussion, you can
look at the same thing I do, and see a different reason for the data,
that is the debate. That w ...[text shortened]... ing forward to writing that post more than likely more
than you are wanting to read it.
Kelly
Happy to wait for your post.......
14 Sep 08
I feel like I have been very short with you guys, and I want to
apologies to you. I do believe I have been allowing myself to get
frustrated and things you have said which may or may not be
derogatory has been received by me as such, even if you do not
mean it to be. One of the posters here, I'm not overly concern
about since the only thing he brings to this board is insults, but I
feel like I have started lumping everyone in this discussion into
the same bucket he is in. My bad, I'm sorry should not be like
that, no excuse on my part.
Kelly
15 Sep 08
Originally posted by KellyJayWe all get carried away in the heat of discussion, no offence taken and no offence meant 🙂
I feel like I have been very short with you guys, and I want to
apologies to you. I do believe I have been allowing myself to get
frustrated and things you have said which may or may not be
derogatory has been received by me as such, even if you do not
mean it to be. One of the posters here, I'm not overly concern
about since the only thing he brings t ...[text shortened]... same bucket he is in. My bad, I'm sorry should not be like
that, no excuse on my part.
Kelly