Spirituality
01 Jul 11
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by JS357Agreed. So?
But it may be a tautology that only authentic Christians get the reward, as if someone gets the reward, they must have, by that fact have been an AC. The same could be said for authentic ducks. If it is not a tautology, it is a "no true Scotsman" argument: If X does not get the reward, he must not have been a true AC. So it being logically consistent is not supportive of its truth or even its possibility of truth.
11 Jul 11
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Originally posted by jaywill[/b]C'mon Jaywill. If you paid better attention you'd realize that it was Epi who asserted that that passage was about "discerning true Christians from false Christians." Jesus said something VERY similar in Luke about people in general, so there was no reason to quibble.
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So how can you discern "good tree[s]" from "bad tree[s]" if both "bear bad fruit"? Clearly you can't. Evidently you don't have an answer for this so you avoid the issue.
So much for your point about "...Christ's underscoring the importance of discerning which believers are false and which are true based on th and false prophets and forcing it to be about true and false Christians.
Luke 6
42“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye. 43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. 45“The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.
You can claim that "many of the 'difficult issues have been addressed" all you want, but then there's reality.
11 Jul 11
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Originally posted by epiphinehasClassic. Note that Epi is still avoiding actually addressing the issue. I don't expect he will, that's HIS forum M. O.
Is it so hard to imagine that someone would rather not debate with you in particular? After all, antagonistic ad hominem conjecture is your forum M. O.—as evidenced by your last few posts.
His unconscious mind continues to provide rationalizations as to why he shouldn't address it. This time by asserting an ad hominem attack when there is none. That he is avoiding addressing the issue is very much on point and so, by definition, not an ad hom.
The irony is that his assertion of an ad hominem attack not only false, it is in and of itself an ad hominem attack.
If he bothers to respond at all, he will likely avoid addressing the issue with yet another rationalization. Like I said, "If it weren't that one, it'd just be another. Seems to speak to the topic of this thread - imagine that." And if he doesn't respond, it'll be the ultimate avoidance.
The sad thing is that the words of Jesus are largely embraced by many non-Christians . It is largely because of all the mythology that Christianity created about Jesus that extends beyond what Jesus taught, that so many find Christianity untenable. Seems likely that many more would embrace the words of Jesus if they didn't have to find their way past the mythology.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWow! You can read the unconscious mind.
Classic. Note that Epi is still avoiding actually addressing the issue. I don't expect he will, that's HIS forum M. O.
His unconscious mind continues to provide rationalizations as to why he shouldn't address it. This time by asserting an ad hominem attack when there is none. That he is avoiding addressing the issue is very much on point.
The irony ...[text shortened]... s[/i] that extends beyond what Jesus taught, that so many find Christianity untenable.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLike I said, if anyone wants to discuss the issue ThinkOfOne raised, I am more than willing to.
Classic. Note that Epi is still avoiding actually addressing the issue. I don't expect he will, that's HIS forum M. O.
His unconscious mind continues to provide rationalizations as to why he shouldn't address it. This time by asserting an ad hominem attack when there is none. That he is avoiding addressing the issue is very much on point.
The irony ...[text shortened]... d embrace the words of Jesus if they didn't have to find their way past the mythology.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHey, let's see how many false statements you can make about me in one thread, shall we? I say you can top twenty-five at least. You're almost halfway there, keep it up!
Classic. The avoidance continues as expected. Evidently the "fear of death" is still getting the best of Epi.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by epiphinehasClassic. The avoidance continues as expected - with yet another false accusation. Evidently Epi is so enslaved by the "fear of death" that he'll do anything and everything to avoid addressing the issue.
Hey, let's see how many false statements you can make about me in one thread, shall we? I say you can top twenty-five at least. You're almost halfway there, keep it up!
Many seem to have had the experience that Christians cannot rationally discuss their beliefs. The smart money is on a "fear of death" as the underlying cause. They are slaves to this fear.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNo way I'm going to think while replying to your points. You'd be reading my mind, and that spooks me. In fact, that's probably why my replies are no good.
lol. It'll be a fine day indeed when you start addressing the salient points of my posts with well thought out responses.
Besides, I don't like getting mad at you. You have a way of doing that to me. lol
11 Jul 11
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWay to go, buddy, keep the false statements coming. Being the object of your derision is a badge of honor!
Classic. The avoidance continues as expected - with yet another false accusation. Evidently Epi is so enslaved by the "fear of death" that he'll do anything and everything to avoid addressing the issue.
Many seem to have had the experience that Christians cannot rationally discuss their beliefs. The smart money is on a "fear of death" as the underlying cause. They are slaves to this fear.
Again, and it should be obvious to anyone following this thread, I am not avoiding addressing the issue ThinkOfOne raised. What I am avoiding is discussing anything with ThinkOfOne himself because of his antagonistic, vitriolic, ad hominem debate style.
Please feel free to start a new thread (not you, ThinkOfOne) and we can discuss the merits of sinless perfectionism.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne"They are slaves to this fear."
Classic. The avoidance continues as expected - with yet another false accusation. Evidently Epi is so enslaved by the "fear of death" that he'll do anything and everything to avoid addressing the issue.
Many seem to have had the experience that Christians cannot rationally discuss their beliefs. The smart money is on a "fear of death" as the underlying cause. They are slaves to this fear.
You must certainly be trying to provoke. Otherwise I'm sure you know how obtuse that is.
11 Jul 11
Originally posted by epiphinehasThe fact is that Epi continues to avoid addressing the issue. That he keeps coming up with various excuses as to why is irrelevant. That he is working so hard to do so is really quite telling.
Way to go, buddy, keep the false statements coming. Being the object of your derision is a badge of honor! [hidden]Again, and it should be obvious to anyone following this thread, I am not avoiding addressing the issue ThinkOfOne raised. What I am avoiding is discussing anything with ThinkOfOne himself because of his antagonistic, vitriolic, [i ...[text shortened]... ew thread (not you, ThinkOfOne) and we can discuss the merits of sinless perfectionism.[/hidden]