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Atheists accuse Christians of blind faith but scientists rely on the rational intelligibility of the universe; the concept that the universe is rational is not proper science it's an assumption that requires faith - indeed based on atheism science in general would be impossible.
Because even if, through observation, we can establish that the universe is intelligent, we have no scientific basis upon which to accept that that intelligibility is rational consequently orderly and therefore predictable; predictability being one of the three legs of basic science; predictability by definition excludes randomness.
The minute a scientist, based on observation and taking measurements in the lab, makes predictions he's stepping into the realm of faith. Faith that tomorrow and the day after will be as predictable as yesterday. Indeed a scientist true to his atheistic worldview has no scientific reason to accept that tomorrow will not be random, which in turn will make it impossible for scientists to predict anything.
Don't tell me that scientists don't have faith.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat on earth are you on about.
Atheists accuse Christians of blind faith but scientists rely on the rational intelligibility of the universe; the concept that the universe is rational is not proper science it's an assumption that requires faith - indeed based on atheism science in general would be impossible.
Because even if, through observation, we can establish that the universe is ...[text shortened]... possible for scientists to predict anything.
Don't tell me that scientists don't have faith.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterAtheists put their faith in science. Do you agree or disagree?
What on earth are you on about.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerSeems most of this post shows how poorly you comprehend science ... I'm sorry to say.
Atheists accuse Christians of blind faith but scientists rely on the rational intelligibility of the universe; the concept that the universe is rational is not proper science it's an assumption that requires faith - indeed based on atheism science in general would be impossible.
Because even if, through observation, we can establish that the universe is ...[text shortened]... possible for scientists to predict anything.
Don't tell me that scientists don't have faith.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWrong.
... predictability by definition excludes randomness.
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Quantum Mechanics
Chaos Theory
The roll of a die.
All are random but predictions are made.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerDisagree. Faith is a religious term and a spiritual phenomena.
Atheists put their faith in science. Do you agree or disagree?
01 Nov 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterOf course the obvious problem is that like most words in English "faith" has multiple meanings.
Disagree. Faith is a religious term and a spiritual phenomena.
Merriam-Webster gives FIVE.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelAnd how poorly he comprehends English.
Seems most of this post shows how poorly you comprehend science ... I'm sorry to say.
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Originally posted by @wolfgang59Perhaps dj2becker will chose one of the definitions in order to move the conversation along with some degree of purpose.
Of course the obvious problem is that like most words in English "faith" has multiple meanings.
Merriam-Webster gives FIVE.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
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Originally posted by @divegeesterFaith can also be defined as : "complete trust or confidence in someone or something."
Disagree. Faith is a religious term and a spiritual phenomena.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYour post doesn't seem to indicate that you know better now does it?
Seems most of this post shows how poorly you comprehend science ... I'm sorry to say.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou are that kid hammering the square block into the circular hole. Yes, if you grind the corners off and pretend they were never there and hit it enough times with enough force you can force it through, but it isn't clever and it isn't right.
Atheists accuse Christians of blind faith but scientists rely on the rational intelligibility of the universe; the concept that the universe is rational is not proper science it's an assumption that requires faith - indeed based on atheism science in general would be impossible.
Because even if, through observation, we can establish that the universe is ...[text shortened]... possible for scientists to predict anything.
Don't tell me that scientists don't have faith.
01 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerScience challenge !!!!
Your post doesn't seem to indicate that you know better now does it?
YOU up for it?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerAnd in science, confidence till new evidence comes along changing the picture, enstilling a NEW confidence point. However you don't know how science works in the first place.
Faith can also be defined as : "complete trust or confidence in someone or something."
They would say, the boing point of mercury is XX.X degrees C PLUS OR MINUS Y degrees) depending on other conditions, atmospheric pressure and so forth.
So they almost always give a statistical qualifier.
They NEVER say "Mercury has a boiling point of 124.89954923456 degrees C EXACTLY.
So for instance, right now there is a quest going on about the speed of gravitational waves.
It was not even known for sure there was such a thing till last year when they were unabiguously detected at LIGO and other gravitational wave detectors.
So using that data they now get within a millionth of a percent of c as the speed of gravitational waves. They NEVER say 'gravity waves propogate EXACTLY at the speed of light, since they have not proven that, they know it is damn close but they won't be tied down to an exact number since it is not yet determined anywhere near as close as we have actually measured the speed of c which is different n vacuum than it is in air or water. Gravity waves don't give a crap about mere matter, they do their thing at their speed no matter what is in the way.
The bottom line is you want to FORCE the concept of belief onto science and scientists based on the absolute fact you have NOTHING but faith to believe in with your religion so you and most of the rest of the religious set wants to peg science into the same corral which is simply not true. It is ONLY religous folk who want to force 'belief' in the science community.