08 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerthat thief was in the process of visiting (with spoken words) a prisoner.
Before I respond to your question, I have a question for you:
Did the thief on the cross do any good works?
a few more words that don't fit your dogma
3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons
of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never
forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
when you assume the scribes and pharisees had no "faith" you forget that they had Him crucified for what they thought was blasphemy.
the following doesn't say "faith" either.
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the
will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
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08 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompSo, would you mind answering the question:
that thief was in the process of visiting (with spoken words) a prisoner.
a few more words that don't fit your dogma
3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons
of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never
forgiveness, but is in dang ...[text shortened]... 3:35 For whosoever shall do the
will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Did the thief on the cross do any good works?
08 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerJust showed you one.
So, would you mind answering the question:
Did the thief on the cross do any good works?
the thief wasnt being excuted for doing or not doing the kindnesses that Christ says in Matthew 25, so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.
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08 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstomp...so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.
Just showed you one.
the thief wasnt being excuted for doing or not doing the kindnesses that Christ says in Matthew 25, so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.
If you won't be guessing then you'd probably know. Then why are you evading my question?
08 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerHE ANSWERED YOU! Visiting a prisoner is one of the acts of mercy i.e. a good work! Please start thinking for yourself for a change.
[b]...so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.
If you won't be guessing then you'd probably know. Then why are you evading my question?[/b]
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08 Jun 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI think I have gotten you wrong somewhere...
HE ANSWERED YOU! Visiting a prisoner is one of the acts of mercy i.e. a good work! Please start thinking for yourself for a change.
Are you saying that the theif on the cross was visiting prisoners in jail?
08 Jun 05
To be more specific, the thief's acts would be a corporal work of mercy: visiting the sick (verbally in this case) and two spiritual works of mercy: comforting the afflicted and bearing wrongs patiently. The list of acts of mercy is from St. Thomas Acquinas. See:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm
08 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerThat wasn't evading.
[b]...so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.
If you won't be guessing then you'd probably know. Then why are you evading my question?[/b]
There is only the criminal charges that he admitted to being guilty of , and the acts that Christ said in matt25 were not criminal offenses.
So I have no way of judging , nor do you. except by applying the acts in Matthew 25 and relying on Christ's judgement that the thief had met the requirements of salvation.
Besides that , your own view of " works and faith " also admits to the thief having done the works.
Answer a question for me on the matter of salvation:
Between God and Satan: which the two wants the most souls excluded from heaven?
08 Jun 05
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Originally posted by dj2beckerAre you? Which one of the acts of mercy do you believe Jesus wouldn't have counted, dj2becker?
By the way, your post above came after my post you are quoting.
Is St. Thomas in the Bible?
BTW, for ANOTHER Biblical contradiction compare Luke 24:39-43 with Matthew 27:44 regarding the words of the two crucified on both sides of Jesus:
44 And the robbers also that were crucified with him cast upon him the same reproach.
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08 Jun 05
Originally posted by no1marauderIs St Thomas in the Bible?
Are you? Which one of the acts of mercy do you believe Jesus wouldn't have counted, dj2becker?
BTW, for ANOTHER Biblical contradiction compare Luke 24:39-43 with Matthew 27:44 regarding the words of the two crucified on both sides of Jesus:
44 And the robbers also that were crucified with him cast upon him the same reproach.
08 Jun 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI think Jesus was describing a necessary condition for salvation in Mt 25, but I don't think he was describing the sufficient conditions.
I said it was a reasonable position, but not the only reasonable position. There are parts of the Gospels that seem to indicate that faith is a requirement, but Matthew 25 isn't one of them. The question that needs to be answered is why Jesus omitted mention of faith in Matthew 25 when specifically spelling out the requirements for salvation. I still await a reasonable response to that question.