12 May 14
Originally posted by C HessWell, a prophecy is only a prophecy if it is fulfilled. If it fails to be fulfilled it is not a prophecy.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies
I'm curious how believers respond to these failed prophecies. Are they not
meant to be taken as prophecies, or what?..
So prophecies does always work, because if not, it is not a prophecy.
So if you prophecize that the end of the world is scheduled for tomorrow, then we have to wait to tomorrow to see if it was a real prophecy or not.
Here you can read more about End-of-the-World prophecies which were not really prophecies, as you already know because you can read this.
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14 May 14
Originally posted by Rajk999You know what I think? I think those are failed prophecies, and you
Ok, well lets hope someone bites for your sake.
christians are just holding your ears, singing: "la la la la", hoping this thread
will drop like a pair of old undies in the back room. Well, it's good I'm here
to throw them out in the open until someone explains to me just what the
hell they're doing here in the first place. It's a frigging train we're on, and
there are no sleeping cars.
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14 May 14
Originally posted by C Hessthis train has no brakes no driver and no passengers is it 12 camels ?
You know what I think? I think those are failed prophecies, and you
christians are just holding your ears, singing: "la la la la", hoping this thread
will drop like a pair of old undies in the back room. Well, it's good I'm here
to throw them out in the open until someone explains to me just what the
hell they're doing here in the first place. It's a frigging train we're on, and
there are no sleeping cars.
14 May 14
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You know what I think? I think those are failed prophecies, and you
christians are just holding your ears, singing: "la la la la", hoping this thread
will drop like a pair of old undies in the back room. Well, it's good I'm here
to throw them out in the open until someone explains to me just what the
hell they're doing here in the first place. It's a frigging train we're on, and
there are no sleeping cars.
14 May 14
Originally posted by C Hess<yawn>
Seriously? You're all just gonna let this one fall? I guess they really are failed prophecies. Awkward. 😕
Assuming the clearly non-academic person who put this website together starts with his imagined big guns, we can examine his declaration of the alleged failed prophecy of the destruction of Tyre.
His claim is based on a misreading of the text.
How incredibly novel.
It would be nice to--- just once!--- have a claim that is actually based on something substantive.
Mr. Rational Wiki claims:
In this block of text God states quite blatantly that Nebuchadnezzar would sack and destroy completely the city of Tyre. However the events given in this passage never did come to pass. After a 13 year siege Nebuchadnezzar withdrew his forces. Despite being conquered and razed (torn down) by Alexander the Great 240 years later, Tyre still exists.
He is referencing Ezekiel 26:1-21.
Verses 7-11 of that passage speak of Nebuchadrezzar's siege of the ancient Phoenician city of Tyre.
Prior to the five verses specifying Nebuchadrezzar (and beginning in verse three), the prophecy given to Ezekiel from God speaks of an assault on Tyre from many nations... multiple assaults from multiple nations which lead to the demise of that once-most powerful city-state of Phoenicia.
The verses which are directly related to Nebuchadrezzar use the third person singular masculine nominative or dative singular pronouns 'he' or 'him' beginning in verse seven and continue through verse eleven.
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he-shall-kill
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and·he-raises
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he-shall-give
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he-shall-break-down
b·chrbuthi·u
in·swords-of·him
susi·u
horses-of·him
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he-shall-cover·you
b·ba·u
in·to-enter-of·him
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horses-of·him
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he-shall-tramp
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he-shall-kill
The verses which refer to many nations in three use the third-person plural personal pronoun (subjective case) 'they' beginning in verse four (I will not list the six uses here).
With an elliptical break to describe the specific destruction headed Tyre's way at the hands of a named king in verse seven through eleven, the passage reverts back to the pronoun 'they' in describing the actions of the nameless many nations.
So point one: miss.
The next complaint is that Tyre still exists.
Yes it does.
However, Tyre which was destroyed--- dismantled, razed--- was a powerful city-state of Phoenicia.
The Tyre which exists today is a port city in Lebanon, the original island still unoccupied.
What was once a traditional center for commerce and culture was wiped off the face of the planet, silenced.
Point two: miss.
Why waste time with the rest of the drivel which have repeatedly revealed as wanting?
If you wish to, feel free.
14 May 14
Originally posted by C HessWell if you not familiar with my position then let me say that Im not a supporter of defending the Bible or God or arguing with atheists. Those activities are fruitless, pointless and lead nowhere. God can and will defend himself and his teachings if and when he so chooses and will do it to specific people. All Christians are not irrational uneducated nutcases as many atheists believe.
You know what I think? I think those are failed prophecies, and you
christians are just holding your ears, singing: "la la la la", hoping this thread
will drop like a pair of old undies in the back room. Well, it's good I'm here
to throw them out in the open until someone explains to me just what the
hell they're doing here in the first place. It's a frigging train we're on, and
there are no sleeping cars.
As for prophesies I can tell you that the Jews and their history is one of the greatest demonstrations of Bible prophecy. God said he would make them a byword and many would try to destroy them but they would never succeed. This has happened. Also that they would return to their land that he gave them. This has happened in our lifetime. That they would regain control of Jerusalem .. also fulfilled. .
But Im not a fan of this kind of thread so I would let others continue the discusion. Good luck with this thread .. hope some 'prophecy defenders' participate. 🙂
14 May 14
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHBiblical Prophesy About Tyre
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Assuming the clearly non-academic person who put this website together starts with his imagined big guns, we can examine his declaration of the alleged failed prophecy of the destruction of Tyre.
His claim is based on a misreading of the text.
How incredibly novel.
It would be nice to--- just once!--- have a claim that is actually based on s ...[text shortened]... th the rest of the drivel which have repeatedly revealed as wanting?
If you wish to, feel free.
The island city of Tyre is believed to have sank into the sea, for the only thing left is the causeway built by Alexander the Great.