17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Conrau KIt could easily be argued. If a vegetarian diet has everything one requires for optimum health, then how is meat-eating an essential component of our evolution?
Well, I don't think anyone is arguing the point that meat was required for our evolution. The point of contention is whether it is still required.
Put another way, if a prehistoric Moses had come down the mountain with a stone tablet engraved with a variety of nutritious vegetarian recipes, an unlimited supply of ingredients, and a compendium of Sudoku puzzles (death for those who can't solve the puzzle of the day!) we might have evolved the intelligence we have today.
The point is there's an equivocation of the word "essential". The study uses a retrograde definition: if you remove meat from prehistoric humans' diet then we wouldn't have evolved to be as intelligent as we are today. But this is misleading, and unfalsifiable.
The study also suggests that it wasn't the protein in meat that caused our brains to develop but rather carbohydrates in plants:
The brain is a relentless consumer of calories, said Milton. It needs glucose 24 hours a day. Animal protein probably did not provide many of those calories, which were more likely to come from carbohydrates, she said.
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Green PaladinThat's an awful lot of plants to eat. How many calories a day would you think a fully grown prehistoric person would need to eat?
It could easily be argued. If a vegetarian diet has everything one requires for optimum health, then how is meat-eating an essential component of our evolution?
Put another way, if a prehistoric Moses had come down the mountain with a stone tablet engraved with a variety of nutritious vegetarian recipes, an unlimited supply of ingredients, a ...[text shortened]... y of those calories, which were more likely to come from carbohydrates, she said.[/quote]
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobI think you're thinking of animals like cows that have to eat an enormous amount of vegetable matter because the nutritive quality of grass is very low.
That's an awful lot of plants to eat. How many calories a day would you think a fully grown prehistoric person would need to eat?
I'm a vegan and don't have to eat larger servings than the average meat-eater.
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Green PaladinBut you have to eat a certain amount of calories a day to survive. Every living animal on this planet has to consume x amount of energy otherwise it will die.
I think you're thinking of animals like cows that have to eat an enormous amount of vegetable matter because the nutritive quality of grass is very low.
I'm a vegan and don't have to eat larger servings than the average meat-eater.
What would you say the minimum amount of calories a prehistoric person would have to eat to survive would be?
The recommendation in this country, the UK, is about 2500 a day. Would you say it would be roughly that ball park for a prehistoric man?
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobYes, I think it would be roughly in that ball park.
But you have to eat a certain amount of calories a day to survive. Every living animal on this planet has to consume x amount of energy otherwise it will die.
What would you say the minimum amount of calories a prehistoric person would have to eat to survive would be?
The recommendation in this country, the UK, is about 2500 a day. Would you say it would be roughly that ball park for a prehistoric man?
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by divegeesterAll of creation is devolving not evolving. In the beginning, God created
The point in the OP is that meat eating is biologically essential for evolution; hunting has nothing to do with biology.
It's interesting how posters here compromise their view of evolution when modern day social acceptances are at stake.
We need meat to survive - it is the way our bodies have evolved. Accept it.
everything perfect, but how many things do we have that are perfect today?
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17 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYou make this statement not only without proof or justification, but in the face of mountains of evidence
All of creation is devolving not evolving. In the beginning, God created
everything perfect, but how many things do we have that are perfect today?
and theoretical underpinning and the entire scientific community on the other side.
You also have demonstrated many time you don't know what evolution actually means or is.
Given you evidently don't know what it is ANY argument you make on the subject is inherently a straw man
(even if it is unintentionally so) because you are arguing against what you think evolution is not what it
actually is.
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Conrau KI believe meat became required for man's survival as a result of the
Well, I don't think anyone is arguing the point that meat was required for our evolution. The point of contention is whether it is still required.
fall of man resulting in the flood of Noah's day. Man fell (devolved).
Man did not rise (evolve). So after the flood God had to approve
certain animals as food for man due to the situation. There is no
possible way any creature can evolve without the hand of God. God
is allowing all creatures to devolve at present.
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17 Sep 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsPROVE IT!
I believe meat became required for man's survival as a result of the
fall of man resulting in the flood of Noah's day. Man fell (devolved).
Man did not rise (evolve). So after the flood God had to approve
certain animals as food for man due to the situation. There is no
possible way any creature can evolve without the hand of God. God
is allowing all creatures to devolve at present.
EDIT: without proof or evidence you are just making stuff up.
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by Green PaladinOur so-called higher intelligence today is mainly a result of being taught
It could easily be argued. If a vegetarian diet has everything one requires for optimum health, then how is meat-eating an essential component of our evolution?
Put another way, if a prehistoric Moses had come down the mountain with a stone tablet engraved with a variety of nutritious vegetarian recipes, an unlimited supply of ingredients, a ...[text shortened]... y of those calories, which were more likely to come from carbohydrates, she said.[/quote]
recorded knowledge from the past so we don't have to learn it all over
again from scratch. It is not due to any evolution of the brain, but due
to the the adaptation of accumulated knowledge over time. We are
actually devolving and not evolving.