14 Sep 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayC'mon KJ, an "insult to God"?
Do not insult God like that, they vote for Republican and Democrat
and others.
Kelly
Besides, I'd guess that what he is questioning how anyone could both be filled with the "Spirit of God" and support the platform of the Republican party.
15 Sep 09
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYes, I think lining God up with any political group right or left wing or
C'mon KJ, an "insult to God"?
Besides, I'd guess that what he is questioning how anyone could both be filled with the "Spirit of God" and support the platform of the Republican party.
some other faction is an insult to God. I like how Abraham Lincoln
coined it,
"Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right"
Kelly
15 Sep 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayWell, from what I can tell, wulebgr would agree with the Lincoln quote.
Yes, I think lining God up with any political group right or left wing or
some other faction is an insult to God. I like how Abraham Lincoln
coined it,
"Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right"
Kelly
It seems to me that he sees the Republican party as being so far from being "on God's side", so as to make voting Republican untenable. That point is largely valid.
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Lincoln also said, "When the Know-Nothings get control, it [the Declaration of Independence] will read: "All men are created equal except negroes, foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." and modern Republicans are more Know-Nothings than Lincoln Republicans.
15 Sep 09
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIt is a small point, again do you see any party worthy of God?
Well, from what I can tell, wulebgr would agree with the Lincoln quote.
It seems to me that he sees the Republican party as being so far from being "on God's side", so as to make voting Republican untenable. That point is largely valid.
Kelly
15 Sep 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayI don't see a claim for a "party worthy of God". I see a commentary against a party. It's not a "small point". It's illogical to view a commentary against a given party as necessarily being a claim of another party being a "party worthy of God".
It is a small point, again do you see any party worthy of God?
Kelly
Also I don't why you included the word "again" in your response. It's the first time you've asked that question.
15 Sep 09
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI reject all parties as worthy as I said I thought it an insult to say
I don't see a claim for a "party worthy of God". I see a commentary against a party. It's not a "small point". It's illogical to view a commentary against a given party as necessarily being a claim of another party being a "party worthy of God".
Also I don't why you included the word "again" in your response. It's the first time you've asked that question.
one was. You stressing your views on how bad the Republican party
was only agreed with my point! We as a people are not worthy of God
due to our sin nature, so our groups, no matter what they are, and
what we claim they stand for will not be God worthy.
Kelly
15 Sep 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayTake a deep breath and think about it.
I reject all parties as worthy as I said I thought it an insult to say
one was. You stressing your views on how bad the Republican party
was only agreed with my point! We as a people are not worthy of God
due to our sin nature, so our groups, no matter what they are, and
what we claim they stand for will not be God worthy.
Kelly
There is no claim of anything being "God worthy". No matter how much you insist there was, there just wasn't.
It seems this is likely a case analogous to someone going to a restaurant that serves chili and stew. The individual declares he doesn't like the chili and you start ranting about how they like stew. It doesn't logically follow.
Or are you trying to assert that it doesn't matter how people act or what they do since no one is "God worthy". Under that scenario a group of pedophiles would not be opposed. Is this what you're supporting?
Like I said, take a deep breath and think.
15 Sep 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayYour view was common--the part about no parties being worthy, not the gross misreading that others have addressed--back in the 1970s when you and I were young men. Back then, most Christians did their best to keep their faith separate from politics. Then, Jimmy Carter, who was reputedly genuinely born again attracted Christians to politics, then he said those awful things about not wishing to impose his personal morality regarding abortion upon public policy, then Christians showed up en masse to support Ronald Reagan who had the virtue of a vague and quiet personal religion somehow connected to John 3:16, which he liked to quote while talking about his mother, and since then, God-talk has been the core of what politicos call the Republican Base. In the name of God, we have stripped the poor of their dignity, given their paltry belongings to the wealthy, fried to a crisp countless Muslims and Catholic freedom fighters, ...
I reject all parties as worthy as I said I thought it an insult to say
one was. You stressing your views on how bad the Republican party
was only agreed with my point! We as a people are not worthy of God
due to our sin nature, so our groups, no matter what they are, and
what we claim they stand for will not be God worthy.
Kelly
So, I ask again, how can anyone calling herself (or himself) a Christian, vote for Republicans? Why vote at all?