Originally posted by vistesd
[b]The scripture points out we already have the wrath of God remaining on us right now...
Can you tell me exactly what sins I have committed that merit having God’s wrath “on me” right now—and when I committed them? The standard version is that I was born with God’s wrath on me because of inherited original sin from the first humans.
Now, when I ...[text shortened]... thfully is love, or, in that instance, loving. Just say that John didn’t really mean it.[/b]
I cannot tell you your sins there your sins when and where you started
them, I don't know. I agree with you that your parents loved you from
the get go, just I believe God loved you from the get go, even before
your get had a go, God loved you. The fact is that God does
love
us, and has done what He did to show us God's grace and mercy
should let you know that. We are standing before God now sinners, I
believe in original sin, that being inherited into our human nature, we
see through the glass darkly, we live in a broken nature doing things
we know we should not. The wrath of God is as real as His love, and
the only reason we are not all dealing with God because of our sins
now is that we are running around while God is with holding judgment
out of
God’s grace, mercy, love and He is cursed for that by
some being called unjust.
You don’t think I like the idea of anyone, those I love or even those I
dislike ending up under God’s wrath either do you? I do believe it is a
terrible thing to end up in the hands of God while your about to face
His wrath there can no thing ever that is worse in my opinion. I also
don’t think God wants to remain angry with us either, but delights in
mercy which is why He is now showing us grace while we are walking
around sinning left and right and cursing Him while we do it. A price
or a settling of debt needs to be satisfied to just dismiss our sins
without such things even we would decry that. No one likes justice
ignored or set aside for one while another gets punished for the same
thing, the debt and settling of the score must be just and fair for all,
as it is for now for whom so ever will may come to God now, all have
sinned, all can be saved.
Belief isn’t enough for being saved you should know that, the devil
believes and the devil is facing God’s wrath like no other. It is a
relationship with God a bonding of God’s life into ours as we invite
God into our very lives. Jesus on judgment day told some that
claimed to do a great number of things in Jesus’ name to depart,
because He didn’t know them, He did not deny the things they
claimed to have done (Matthew 7:21-23) on judgment day. Do you
think they believed there was a God while doing them? They were still
cast out, because it is and always was a relationship with God in Christ
that matters just a simple head knowledge makes it just another
different thing to believe in like the world doesn’t have enough of
those already. I do not think I’m diminishing love nor do I believe
I’m diminishing God’s love since it is only do to God’s love that has
kept us all out out of Hell, I do think you diminish God’s
righteousness and the need to settle up on all sin making God just
one dimensional, you like the idea of God being love, but ignoring His
righteous nature at the same time.
Kelly