13 May 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesIf they are truly "resurrected" they will. If, on the other hand, they do not have free will then can one really say they are the same person, and if they are not the same person then have they really been resurrected?
Do people in heaven have free will?
15 May 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWhat does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
But there's no evil in heaven, correct?
available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
to be freewill? Personally I think it will always be available, but it will
be thought of as completely uninteresting and worthless in heaven.
Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
time someone introduced it into the universe?
Simply having a choice to do a bad thing there does not automatically
mean everyone confronted with that choice will do the bad thing.
Kelly
15 May 07
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Originally posted by twhiteheadHow do you know that it was not explained to Lucifer? We know for certain that it was explained to Adam and Eve, whatever good that did. It reminds me of how at one time many thought that communism and atheism was "the way" for mankind to live their lives. How much explaining do you think could have persauded them that their ideas were faulty? It seems to me that the best approach was simply to let them have their way and watch them fall flat on their respective faces and is what happened with the good old USS or R. It seems to me that once mankind has had their way about things by living their lives seperate from their Creator we can all look back and will have learned a hard lesson of somekind that we will try and avoid in the future....or at least one can hope.
So if God had taken the trouble to explain the possible outcomes to Satan then we would have been saved all this trouble.
15 May 07
Originally posted by KellyJayI agree. If there is true free will then sin will always be an option just like it is an option for me to stick a fork in my eye just for kicks. Hopefully one will eventually at some point see that both activities are equally as beneficial, however.
What does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
to be freewill? Personally I think it will always be available, but it will
be thought of as completely uninteresting and worthless in heaven.
Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
time some ...[text shortened]... does not automatically
mean everyone confronted with that choice will do the bad thing.
Kelly
15 May 07
Originally posted by KellyJayToo bad we couldn't have just started out like that, eh? Would have saved a lot of pain and suffering.
What does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
to be freewill? Personally I think it will always be available, but it will
be thought of as completely uninteresting and worthless in heaven.
Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
time some ...[text shortened]... does not automatically
mean everyone confronted with that choice will do the bad thing.
Kelly
16 May 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesTo show us all how much he loves us, by arranging an event that resulted in untold suffering for thousands of thousands of years, all so that in the end he could come to earth and suffer alongside us for three decades and then get whisked back to heaven. Eventually, once he's decided that there's been enough untold suffering, he'll pick a few of us to hang out with for eternity, while the rest of us spend that time suffering even more.
Why did God plant the forbidden tree in the Garden?
It's about love, man.
17 May 07
Originally posted by NemesioI'm sorry you have a point? You don't like the attitude I have when
The very fact that you acknowledge the truth of SwissGambit's observation and agree with it should
beg a number of questions about the attitudes you hold about who God is and what He is like.
Nemesio
I say I agree with someone, or is it you just don't like me?
Kelly
17 May 07
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI suggest you ask God.
Why did God plant the forbidden tree in the Garden?
Finding a wallet with ID and money does not mean that I am forced
to take the money and not give it all back to the owner. The fact that
that tree was there, only means that the tree was there as far as I'm
concern. What happen with it did not have to occur, but it did.
Kelly