20 Sep 05
Originally posted by HalitoseOf course there are. I've seen several come into these forums to chat, debate and proselytize without giving into the war of words which many get drawn into. But what about those that do give in to provocation on a regular basis? Should they be rebuked by fellow believers? Are they acting on their own behalf or on the behalf of Christ?
You will actually find exceptions to all rules, especially within Christian morality. To say: Xtians aren't perfect, just forgiven don't cut it for me. How about: Xtians aren't perfect, but they are stiving towards it. This might be a little closer to the mark. I'm not excusing flying off the handle, but I contend that there are some Xtians who do actually turn the other cheek.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by HalitoseWhat does "Raca" mean? And what would Jesus consider a cause for anger, I wonder?
Cut 'n paste. I'm sorry, but since you are asking for the Christian view here's another verse:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
20 Sep 05
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Originally posted by darvlayWhat does "Raca" mean?
What does "Raca" mean? And what would Jesus consider a cause for anger, I wonder?
Raca - from the Hebrew rak, to be empty. It signifies a vain, empty, worthless fellow, shallow brains, a term of great contempt. Such expressions were punished among the Gentoos by a heavy fine.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by Halitoseand that usually applys to atheists as well ,
You will actually find exceptions to all rules, especially within Christian morality. To say: Xtians aren't perfect, just forgiven don't cut it for me. How about: Xtians aren't perfect, but they are stiving towards it. This might be a little closer to the mark. I'm not excusing flying off the handle, but I contend that there are some Xtians who do actually turn the other cheek.
not perfect but striving for it.
same boat, different cabin.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by Moldy CrowHello? I'm not even Christian. You have misstated my point and apparently confused me with other people you are used to jousting with on the forums. Save it for them.
So you're falling back on the old cliche' "Xtians aren't perfect , just forgiven." ? I usually hear this one trotted out whenever you want to imbibe in , excuse away , or cover up any behavior that is in conflict with what you preach to/demand of other's...Come on literalist xtians...How many times do you daily try to shove this absolutism down ever ...[text shortened]... s hold you , your religion , and your pathetic attempts at converting us ALL in utter contempt .
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by darvlayBut what about those that do give in to provocation on a regular basis? Should they be rebuked by fellow believers?
Of course there are. I've seen several come into these forums to chat, debate and proselytize without giving into the war of words which many get drawn into. But what about those that do give in to provocation on a regular basis? Should they be rebuked by fellow believers? Are they acting on their own behalf or on the behalf of Christ?
I'm not too big on the rebuke issue. Like Christ said: "let him who is blameless, cast the first stone".
Occasionally as you said, they were provoked, so there could be extenuating circumstances.
Here's another c&p:
Jam 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, this man's religion is vain.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by frogstomp(slowly - hisssing at the end) Yeeesssss.
and that usually applys to atheists as well ,
not perfect but striving for it.
same boat, different cabin.
Lets hope its not the titanic, as we need at least one "King of the World". <- Which must go down as the cheesiest line in all of history.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by Halitose"I'm not too big on the rebuke issue. Like Christ said: "let him who is blameless, cast the first stone". "
[b]But what about those that do give in to provocation on a regular basis? Should they be rebuked by fellow believers?
I'm not too big on the rebuke issue. Like Christ said: "let him who is blameless, cast the first stone".
Occasionally as you said, they were provoked, so there could be extenuating circumstances.
Here's another c&p:
J ...[text shortened]... y man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, this man's religion is vain.[/b]
Hmmm, then why do Christians rebuke each other at all? Seems a little contradictory to me.
This is getting nowhere. How do you guys find any reliable and consistent answer in that ridiculous book of yours?
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by Halitosesee now since each large cabin consists of many rooms and there are many cabins. Who picks the Captain? certainly it cant be only one cabin or even a few.
(slowly - hisssing at the end) Yeeesssss.
Lets hope its not the titanic, as we need at least one "King of the World". <- Which must go down as the cheesiest line in all of history.
since whatever course the ship takes, ALL the rooms are being taken for the ride.
So its best to consult the rooms and let them decide and not the cabin stewards.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by Moldy CrowThere is an issue of hubris on both sides of this fight.
So you're falling back on the old cliche' "Xtians aren't perfect , just forgiven." ? ... Refer to this post when you wonder why so many of us hold you , your religion , and your pathetic attempts at converting us ALL in utter contempt .
We do not like it when extroverted religious people try to convert us to their belief and lecture us about our own beliefs.
Are we willing to take a breath and consider, however, that in our spirited resistance to that attitude, we are liable to make the same error? When a Christian tells you that your life has no direction because you haven't accepted Jesus, that seems pretty rude to us (it does to me, certainly); yet some of us do not think twice about telling a Christian that their book is nonsense or that they are mentally deficient.
Let a Christian get snarky in response to that, and suddenly we hear, "Oh dear! What about turning the other cheek and all that?" As if you are entitled to expect that a Christian person should just smile and let you walk all over them.
Skepticism is healthy. Good for the mind, good for conversation. Bullying is something different. You can't fool me, dressing up meanness as skepticism.
20 Sep 05
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Originally posted by darvlayHow do you guys find any reliable and consistent answer in that ridiculous book of yours?
"I'm not too big on the rebuke issue. Like Christ said: "let him who is blameless, cast the first stone". "
Hmmm, then why do Christians rebuke each other at all? Seems a little contradictory to me.
This is getting nowhere. How do you guys find any reliable and consistent answer in that ridiculous book of yours?
Hold on. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.
The case we were examining was where somebody "sins" and you are not directly involved. Here's one where somebody sins against you:
Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a hardened in his ways after the first and second admonition reject;
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
20 Sep 05
Originally posted by AlgernonAlgernon: "As if you are entitled to expect that a Christian person should just smile and let you walk all over them."
There is an issue of hubris on both sides of this fight.
We do not like it when extroverted religious people try to convert us to their belief and lecture us about our own beliefs.
Are we willing to take a breath and consider, however, that in our spirited resistance to that attitude, we are liable to make the same error? When a Christian tells y ...[text shortened]... tion. Bullying is something different. You can't fool me, dressing up meanness as skepticism.
Hear, hear.
Algernon: "Skepticism is healthy. Good for the mind, good for conversation. Bullying is something different. You can't fool me, dressing up meanness as skepticism.
Hear, hear
.............. and rec-ed.
