01 Mar 13
Originally posted by boononSo, when you said peoples lives are meaningless without the Bible, what did you actually mean? To whom, and in what way?
I agree that meaningless is different by point of view of just about everybody. Probably the wrong adjective to 'use'. Point well made.
I for example find great meaning in my life, and don't think it would have more meaning to me if I involved the Bible.
01 Mar 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadDon't the atheist teach that there is no meaning or purpose to life?
So, when you said peoples lives are meaningless without the Bible, what did you actually mean? To whom, and in what way?
I for example find great meaning in my life, and don't think it would have more meaning to me if I involved the Bible.
The evil-lutionists say we just happened by chance and could have happened some other way. Isn't that right? So what meaning or purpose could life have, if it is just an accident of many chance happenings?
01 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsThat in my humble opinion is the power behind religion.People cannot face the fact that they may be unimportant and finite.Fear drives us into the hands of the supernatural where we "feel" better.
[b]Don't the atheist teach that there is no meaning or purpose to life?
The evil-lutionists say we just happened by chance and could have happened some other way. Isn't that right? So what meaning or purpose could life have, if it is just an accident of many chance happenings?[/b]
01 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsNo , being an atheist is hard, it can make you feel small and sometimes pointless , but that just makes me try harder to live life in a constructive way. And something else,when I look at ANY life I feel an intense reverence for it, precisely because it is rare and finite.
Does it make you feel better?
01 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsIts all a question of meaning to whom. You cannot have real meaning without referring to some entity. Further, how we came about, does not significantly affect how much meaning we have to ourselves or to others.
The evil-lutionists say we just happened by chance and could have happened some other way. Isn't that right? So what meaning or purpose could life have, if it is just an accident of many chance happenings?
Suppose, you found a really beautiful stone on the beach. Now suppose you also carved a stone. Why would the carved stone necessarily have meaning to you and the one from the beach not? What if you found the one on the beach the day you met the love of your life? Would the stone still be meaningless to you simply because you found it by chance?
01 Mar 13
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Originally posted by twhiteheadI often like to use videos because I have more confidence in others explaining ideas than myself. So I am not sure if you will understand me even when I try. However, I was thinking more in line with the creative meaning and purpose of the universe as a unit that requires the various creations to fulfill the overall purpose and meaning intended originally by God.
Its all a question of meaning to whom. You cannot have real meaning without referring to some entity. Further, how we came about, does not significantly affect how much meaning we have to ourselves or to others.
Suppose, you found a really beautiful stone on the beach. Now suppose you also carved a stone. Why would the carved stone necessarily have meani ...[text shortened]... of your life? Would the stone still be meaningless to you simply because you found it by chance?
Sure, we can give our own meaning to objects and use them for our own purposes as well. But these meanings and purposes are determined by ourselves based on what we see available and our imaginations on the uses at the time.
But I think there seems to be an overall meaning and purpose to the universe and this life that appears to be created on only one planet that was placed under the right conditions to support the growth of life. Scientist have already determined that there are many factors beginning with the laws of nature that had to appear before life was possible. There are so many life systems that can not survive without having another life system helping it, as well. I am sure you must have heard all the other requirements, like the egosystem, environment, climate, etc., so there no point in making a long list.
There is probably a video out in Youtube land that could explain what I think Christians mean by "meaning and purpose" from God's point of view. However, even if I looked for one, I doubt anyone on here would take a moments notice anyway. However, the entity you speak of and we refer to when Christians speak of real meaning and purpose of life is generally God and His Christ in relationship to mankind and not just in the interaction of the universe.
01 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat meaning does life have for you? I'd rather know that I am an insignificant speck on a small ball of rock and iron in an immense and fascinating universe than think I am destined to lick some deity's arse for all eternity.
[b]Don't the atheist teach that there is no meaning or purpose to life?
The evil-lutionists say we just happened by chance and could have happened some other way. Isn't that right? So what meaning or purpose could life have, if it is just an accident of many chance happenings?[/b]
02 Mar 13
Originally posted by KeplerI believe my meaning and purpose is to love and serve and obey God as He loves and provides all my needs. Could anyone have a happier meaning and purpose?
What meaning does life have for you? I'd rather know that I am an insignificant speck on a small ball of rock and iron in an immense and fascinating universe than think I am destined to lick some deity's arse for all eternity.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
02 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsIf that is the case, then yes, you are correct, an atheist believes his life is largely meaningless to God, and is not part of the overall purpose and meaning intended originally by God. But then we thing God doesn't exist and any such 'overall purpose and meaning' is a theist invention.
However, I was thinking more in line with the creative meaning and purpose of the universe as a unit that requires the various creations to fulfill the overall purpose and meaning intended originally by God.
.... and this life that appears to be created on only one planet ....
No, it does not appear that way at all. We haven't even ruled out the possibility of life on Mars the nearest planet to us. We have hardly even begun to investigate the other planets and moons in the solar system, let alone the upwards of 100 billion planets in the galaxy and we can never even hope to investigate planets in any of the other 100 billion galaxies.
You simply have zero justification for making that claim.
Scientist have already determined that there are many factors beginning with the laws of nature that had to appear before life was possible.
Funny how you are now an evolutionist 🙂
However, even if I looked for one, I doubt anyone on here would take a moments notice anyway. However, the entity you speak of and we refer to when Christians speak of real meaning and purpose of life is generally God and His Christ in relationship to mankind and not just in the interaction of the universe.
And I couldn't care less whether or not my life has meaning or purpose to your God or some 'grand scheme' he has cooked up. You should really care either.
02 Mar 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadI have this feeling that you will get your desire for a place without God.
If that is the case, then yes, you are correct, an atheist believes his life is largely meaningless to God, and is not part of the overall purpose and meaning intended originally by God. But then we thing God doesn't exist and any such 'overall purpose and meaning' is a theist invention.
[b].... and this life that appears to be created on only one plan ...[text shortened]... rpose to your God or some 'grand scheme' he has cooked up. You should really care either.
02 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsThere is no 'meaning' to life. Our only purpose is to make babies and make sure that they live long enough to make their own babies.Thats all.
I believe my meaning and purpose is to love and serve and obey God as He loves and provides all my needs. Could anyone have a happier meaning and purpose?
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!