20 Apr 07
"Thanks to you I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people... Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled on a cross aand left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life!"
-- Cho Seung-Hui
The negative effect of religions when you take it too seriously...
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by ckoh1965I think he took himself too seriously.
"Thanks to you I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people... Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled on a cross aand left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life!"
-- Cho Seung-Hui
The negative effect of religions when you take it too seriously...
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by kirksey957When a religious book is subject to interpretations, then some negative interpretations may arise. Just like how judges might interpret a particular statute in a particular way, which might not be the intention of that statute!
That's kind of like saying cooking kills people as people who make bombs follow recipes.
All I'm saying here is: some people may misunderstand the contents of the bible, for whatever reason, and then end up doing something that is contrary to what the bible had intended in the first place. Hence the negative effect of religion. Of course if the interpretations were 'correct', then the result would have been 'positive', although the words 'negative' and 'positive' are still subject to definitions.
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20 Apr 07
Originally posted by ckoh1965No. It is the negative effect of a misinterpretation.
When a religious book is subject to interpretations, then some negative interpretations may arise. Just like how judges might interpret a particular statute in a particular way, which might not be the intention of that statute!
All I'm saying here is: some people may misunderstand the contents of the bible, for whatever reason, and then end up doing some ...[text shortened]... sitive', although the words 'negative' and 'positive' are still subject to definitions.
And besides, religion clearly was not the motivation for his crimes, to any degree. It just appears that he used a religious image to give expression to his feelings.
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by Conrau KAs someone once said, "There is a fine line between religion and craziness."
No. It is the negative effect of a misinterpretation.
And besides, religion clearly was not the motivation for his crimes, to any degree. It just appears that he used a religious image to give expression to his feelings.
20 Apr 07
I agree it's a bit silly to blame religion in any way for this event (if we are to blame metaphors used to explain acts, we should also blame nouns for the actions of the objects they represent). That said, the celebration of deaths in a lot of religions, Jesus' being the most prominent example, creeps me out a little.
23 Apr 07
Originally posted by ckoh1965The problem is he didn't die like Jesus. Jesus's death was an act of love and self sacrifice. He was a pacifist to the end (Peter put away your sword) . I don't know what Jesus he thought he was dying like but it wasn't the Jesus I recognise. He died more like a deranged Rambo than Jesus. The comparision with Christ is way off.
"Thanks to you I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people... Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled on a cross aand left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life!"
-- Cho Seung-Hui
The negative effect of religions when you take it too seriously...
23 Apr 07
Originally posted by ChronicLeakyI would go one further and say it's just plain stupid to blame religion for this particular event. While religion can rightly be blamed for many evils in the world, this is not one of them. Ckoh1965 makes himself look like a petty opportunist by trying to draw that connection.
I agree it's a bit silly to blame religion in any way for this event (if we are to blame metaphors used to explain acts, we should also blame nouns for the actions of the objects they represent). That said, the celebration of deaths in a lot of religions, Jesus' being the most prominent example, creeps me out a little.
23 Apr 07
Originally posted by rwingettI didn't blame religions. But you have to admit that there are many negative outcomes of religious misinterpretations. Buildings are blown up by crashing aeroplanes into them; people blow up themselves with bombs and kill many others in the process; and in this case, this sicko shot others before killing himself. All these psycho acts were done in the name of religions.
I would go one further and say it's just plain stupid to blame religion for this particular event. While religion can rightly be blamed for many evils in the world, this is not one of them. Ckoh1965 makes himself look like a petty opportunist by trying to draw that connection.
Religions in general tell people to be good, but some people understand religions wrongly and do things that can have serious consequences. It's in this sense that I said religions may have negative effects if taken too seriously (in the wrong way).
Maybe these people are using religions as convenient excuse, I don't know. Or maybe they are really convinced that they are doing the right thing from a religious point of view. To me, they are just psychos, but one way or another, they did what they did because of (the wrong understanding/interpretation of) their respective religions.
24 Apr 07
Originally posted by ckoh1965So do you think these "psycho's" would still be psycho's if there were no religion to distort? I say there are messages out there that are pure but any message, no matter how pure, can be twisted by a psycho.
I didn't blame religions. But you have to admit that there are many negative outcomes of religious misinterpretations. Buildings are blown up by crashing aeroplanes into them; people blow up themselves with bombs and kill many others in the process; and in this case, this sicko shot others before killing himself. All these psycho acts were done in the name ...[text shortened]... t they did because of (the wrong understanding/interpretation of) their respective religions.
24 Apr 07
Originally posted by whodeyHey what's wrong with you? Read my opening post. I didn't say that religions are the ONLY element that will have negative consequences.
So do you think these "psycho's" would still be psycho's if there were no religion to distort? I say there are messages out there that are pure but any message, no matter how pure, can be twisted by a psycho.
Of course a psycho can kill because of other reasons too. A psycho is a pshcho whether or not there is a religion in the equation. A psycho will kill whether or not religion is the reason. But in this particular case, this sicko thought that he killed because of his religion. How he arrived at such an interpretation, I don't know.